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11-24-2019 , 11:46 AM
So you're saying Boris isn't writing cheques he can't cash?
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11-24-2019 , 12:44 PM
Latest polling in Scotland



This is roughly in line with the results at the last election with the exception of Labour who are down from 27% and the Lib Dems who are up from 7%
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11-24-2019 , 12:59 PM
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Further confirmation.

The idea that Corbyn is moving the centre ground is a myth that's been created to attempt to lessen the failures of his disastrous leadership.
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11-24-2019 , 01:47 PM
It's somewhat disappointing in that regard but it's not a myth at all (and it was 'invented' long long before JC was leader). Clearly boris is going for a minimal brexit only position but at least what he is offering is mostly more spending on good things. There's not much of the tax cuts, reducing the deficit to zero stuff any more.

So, brexit aside, instead of a right wing manifesto we have a moderately meh manifesto - that is a shift in the centre.

It's now up to us. Every vote matters - the more vote for left wing policies the more pressure on the tories to keep moving.
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11-24-2019 , 02:02 PM
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Labour's manifesto?
was on twatter + reddit
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11-25-2019 , 06:40 AM
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So you're saying Boris isn't writing cheques he can't cash?
Uk government currently spends 821 Billion a year, you think it cant cash the cheques for an 80 billion increase over 5 years?

The funny thing is when seeing people protest gov spending is how many of those people would be better off via that spending.

The gov does not light money on fire, it spends it into the economy, 40% of GDP is gov spending.

White van man, who seems most offended by gov spending is one of the biggest winners because much of that spending especially borrowing gets ultimately cycled through that sector of the economy.

People just dont intuitively understand money, because personal experience with money is the exact opposite of how money actually works. One has money, spends it, its gone, blown, spunked etc.

However it has not gone, its just moved and is still available to spend for whomever the new recipient is. Money flows.

Most people intuitively reject the idea that 1 pound can pay off more than one pound of debt but its a fact, a simple reality.

Imagine an alphabet, A owes B one pound, B owes C and so on. A pays B, B pays C, C pays D.

Its not as simple as that in the real economy, as there are normally always costs at transfer such as tax etc, but the point is one pound will over its life time be exchanged for a lot more than one pounds worth of goods and services.
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11-26-2019 , 05:16 AM
This is all incredibly uncomfortable.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...ment-ghpsdbljk

In particular this:

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The Jewish community has endured the deep discomfort of being at the centre of national political attention for nearly four years. We have been treated by many as an irritant, as opposed to a minority community with genuine concerns.
It's horrible being talked in this way. Longing for a time when anti-Semitism isn't a frontline issue in British politics...
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11-26-2019 , 11:31 AM
Partakes in massive smear campaign to discredit corbyn.

“Oh my, isn’t this so just uncomfortable for me.”

I really do hope you pull through these trying times, man.
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11-26-2019 , 02:32 PM
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Not prepared to pay £1 to find out what will happen to Jews in Britain. What will happen to Jews in Britain?
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11-26-2019 , 05:03 PM
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It's horrible being talked in this way. Longing for a time when anti-Semitism isn't a frontline issue in British politics...
This must have been in the news for God knows how long and I'm still yet to see any media give any concrete example of anyone in Labour doing something anti-Semitic. Not saying it isn't happening, but where's the evidence?
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11-26-2019 , 05:52 PM
Any time there is a left-wing movement, there will be a few fringe crazies who don't have a solid class analysis and they'll end up at some stupid conspiracy theories about Jewish bankers and whatnot, but it's clearly not widespread or systemic. Go search threads on twitter and you'll see lists that anti-corbyn people have compiled and it's frankly so ****ing stupid it'd be funny if it wasn't so sad. The jig should be up when you keep seeing far right nationalists calling corbyn an anti-semite on twitter, but people literally have pudding for brains. Hurr Durr Jeremy Corbyn loves hamas x1000.

Partygirl was quick to jump on Ilhan Omar for accurately describing what the Israeli lobby does, so I'm sure he's gonna come back with some great examples on Corbyn. If you push labour anti-semitism, you're either a cynical liar or a naive rube who's just getting run over by propaganda.

To give you an example of how insane this whole thing has become, southern evangelicals in the US were calling it anti-semitic to call for Steven Miller's resignation after he was caught with white nationalist links.
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11-26-2019 , 07:53 PM
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11-26-2019 , 08:13 PM
He'll issue a pre-written hostage statement apology tomorrow at ~11 and the outriders will proclaim it as a statesmanlike act of magnanimity that proves beyond any reasonable doubt how utterly opposed to racism he is.
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11-27-2019 , 05:19 AM
Quite a successful smear campaign, this one. Congrats to actual racist Boris who also refused to apologise in a TV interview a few nights ago but in his case for actual provable published racism, yet somehow didn't face such headlines. Easy mode for the tories indeed.
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11-27-2019 , 05:23 AM
Corbyn looks a right prick
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11-27-2019 , 05:31 AM
Don't worry bitter, it is Johnson's turn tonight.
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11-27-2019 , 05:53 AM
Yeah, but he is a more charming prick though. (That's not saying much. A festering wart on a syphilitic bull elephant's testicle is more charming than Corbyn)
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11-27-2019 , 06:03 AM
He'll perform similarly but while smiling.
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11-27-2019 , 07:15 AM
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Yeah, but he is a more charming prick though. (That's not saying much. A festering wart on a syphilitic bull elephant's testicle is more charming than Corbyn)
That's what you get for a £40k a year education, I guess.
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11-27-2019 , 07:27 AM
If ever anything showed how bad Scottish politics currently is, and has been for years, you have the leader of the Scottish Conservatives tweeting ‘You don’t have to agree with us, you don’t even have to like us, but only a vote for us will stop indyref2’. The sad thing is he’s right.

We no longer vote for policies up here it’s just a continual constitutional slog that has been going on for years now. Brexit is a walk in the park compared to this.
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11-27-2019 , 08:54 AM
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If ever anything showed how bad Scottish politics currently is, and has been for years, you have the leader of the Scottish Conservatives tweeting ‘You don’t have to agree with us, you don’t even have to like us, but only a vote for us will stop indyref2’. The sad thing is he’s right.

We no longer vote for policies up here it’s just a continual constitutional slog that has been going on for years now. Brexit is a walk in the park compared to this.
The U.K parliament should have passed a Brexit deal. May's would have left the future relationship up to either a Tory minority government or (more likely) t.b.d by a general election. There was nothing in it to stop a customs union, Norway + etc. And this goes for the Lib Dems too. They should have (at least) shown willingness for Common Market 2.0 in the indicative votes.
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11-27-2019 , 09:29 AM
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He'll perform similarly but while smiling.


Here's hoping Neil presses Johnson on whether he takes personal responsibility. 'Sorry if anyone was offended' is a cop-out.
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11-27-2019 , 09:41 AM
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This must have been in the news for God knows how long and I'm still yet to see any media give any concrete example of anyone in Labour doing something anti-Semitic. Not saying it isn't happening, but where's the evidence?

Watch the Panorama program on anti-Semitism in the Labour Party. It’s a good response to anyone who thinks the issue is being exaggerated.
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11-27-2019 , 09:46 AM
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The U.K parliament should have passed a Brexit deal. May's would have left the future relationship up to either a Tory minority government or (more likely) t.b.d by a general election. There was nothing in it to stop a customs union, Norway + etc. And this goes for the Lib Dems too. They should have (at least) shown willingness for Common Market 2.0 in the indicative votes.
I dunno, May takes a lot of the blame. Once the election was called, it was clear that without her majority:

- The ERG would never agree to the same deal that the Tory moderates wanted
- The Irish border was a calamity that would most likely cause the DUP and to balk at most potential deals
- Labour wouldn't get on side unless they had a seat at the table, and May refused this in probably the stupidest moment

An election was always going to be called again before we left. The election had demonstrated that at best, the public was split more than a 52:48 yes:no
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