ok dude, I'm glad you have the inside track on how Corbyn really is. Good for you.

I assume you think Ken Livingstone is a great guy too.

There's loads of racism on the left. The reason anti-immigration stuff works so well for brexit and the tories is because it appeals to many on the left as well. On Corbyn - I dont believe he is racist for a moment. The way he and others are being treated by KS is one of the reasons that if I can bring myself to vote for KS's labour then I will be holding my nose. I may well decide that a party that has no place for JC, Ken Loach etc is not a party I can support.

I think it's much harder for those who practicec what i call 'the silly name calling thingy' because if JC was on the right then they would call him a racist in a heartbeat. Inevitably the tragedy of the strategy of abandoning any sort of reason in politics is that in the end we hurt ourside the most.

Glad you agree. also +1 Chez ^

I've actually bothered to read what people who've known him say about him, instead of what the rags you read say.

If you have any evidence that he's anti-Semitic put it up now or shut your ****ing mouth you hypocrite.

Can someone fill me in with what's going on with BJ and the parties? Is he going to get ousted or what?

I've read what's on BBC news, but hoping someone has some slightly deeper insights.

He sure didn't do anything worthwhile about the racists in labour at all whilst in charge. Ask Luciana Berger.

He happily shared platforms with some.

Standing by while racists operate when you can do something about it is just despicable.

Nonsense. He constantly spoke out against racism and some of the clearest offenders were expelled from the LP

But that's never going to be enough for a supporter of the Tory Party and its well-documented Islamophobia, even if you did have a black friend once at school.

Do you know the phrase 'actions speak louder than words'?


Barest minimum of action doesn't cut it, and you know it.


If you want to be an apologist for a man who really didn't act against clear racists but you think that's fine because he says he hates racism, that's your concern, good luck.

Being slow to expel people doesn't make you a racist. At worst it makes you indecisive or weak. The people who deserved to be expelled were, along with many who didn't deserve it.

I assume you're happy Ken Loach was expelled?

Meanwhile on planet diebitter, this is all nothing worth talking about...

Tory minster sacked because she was a Muslim

That's terrible.

Luckily I live in the real world and accept that's a big problem.


However your whataboutism doesn't really address you waving through non-tackling of racism by the previous leader of labour cos the leader was someone you feel politically akin to, does it?

I guess the next step when you realise your whataboutism isn't sticking is the poo-flinging. I give it 3-4 more posts before that starts lol.

+1 diebitter - It's disgusting.

Completely unsurprising Jalfezi is all over this story but had absolutely nothing to say about Luciana Berger's disgusting treatment at the hands of the cult of Corbyn.

Huge dollop of cognitive dissonance and in-out group bias once again from the man who is completely immune to racism (and completely blind when it's the 'right kind' of racism).

Great coming from Elrazor, the guy who for pages and pages here kept denying the racism in Brown's adversary wanting to talk about "the immigrants", even citing an article that actually stated the opposite of what you were claiming, only to finally relent when others here chimed in.

Maybe you have something you'd like to share with us about "the immigrants"? Something in addition to your usual rant about how you're just so sure they're a major cause of crime because your prejudices tell you so, perhaps?

... pooflinging came earlier than expected. Not too suprised.

You of course mean Elrazor accusing Jal of cognitive dissonance etc?

It's all just part of the silly name calling thingy. Again the sad thing is that in the end we're all covered in **** and reason is abandoned.

(As opposed to just calling someone names of course).

Yess, Sire! I must tell you mates that this whole page looks like an art peace of British sophisticated word smithery. Did you learn this in a debate club? I'm blissfully delighted about these exchanges. So much more classy than the US talk imo. So much even that I'm a bit ashamed about my limited vocabulary and the crap i posted, that I'll stop posting for a while. (I compared your posts to mine) also very glad that you brits have the same exact same issues when it comes to racism and 'Huge dollop of cognitive dissonance' as the americans. The liberals, which I thought I was one, seem to have a large chunk of Huge dollop of cognitive dissonance too. When it comes to defending their crap sometimes.

Blah, blah, blah - work on your own racism before making up stories about others.

^^ Living proof of the decline in academic standards often talked about.

Has that guy that sponsored a bill for an automatic by-election if you switch parties called one yet after he switched to Labour?

He was a Tory hypocrite and he should have stayed one.

He has

I have no idea why Starmer is even in the Labour Party, other than being named after one of its founders. He seems somewhat to the right of many Lib Dems.

Most Labour governments have been somewhat to the right of the Lib Dems.

Even if you're being nitty about excluding the Liberal party I don't think that's a very good take when you consider how right wing Kennedy and Clegg were compared to Brown.

Unless you're being uber nitty and counting Blair as three governments.