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09-20-2020 , 08:23 AM
Made me think of this classic



"You really think so, I though support might be difficult!"
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09-20-2020 , 11:02 AM
Douglas Ross really isn’t doing the job they thought he would, he’s all over the place. complete shitshow from Scottish conservatives
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09-20-2020 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29


Indeed.
Of course it's trending, because there's enough people that can look at everything in context and realise it's the wrong thing to do. "But exponential rise in cases", he'd say. OK then:



For something to rise exponentially, which is a word I guess he doesn't know the meaning of, there's first got to be a clear indication that "cases" are actually rising...
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09-20-2020 , 11:52 AM
It's been growing roughly exponentially since some time around the middle of August. The last week or so the growth appears to have halted somewhat but the daily number of cases is still 4 or 5x what it was at the beginning of August.

A second full lockdown shouldn't have been necessary (and hopefully still won't be) but the terrible messaging and complete lack of competency shown by the government has resulted in confusing guidelines. That, combined with the whole Cummings fiasco and an appearance of "one rule for us, another for them", has caused a lack of adherence to the measures supposed to keep the spread under control and consequentially there has been a rise in cases.
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09-20-2020 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Willd
It's been growing roughly exponentially since some time around the middle of August. The last week or so the growth appears to have halted somewhat
So it was rising. Now it's not rising. Which is what viruses do:

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09-20-2020 , 12:08 PM
He doesn't appear to know what exponential growth means. From another of the tweets in that thread:

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North West (increasing, although R falling so importantly growth is *not exponential*)
If R is above 1 then by definition cases are growing exponentially. The rate of growth might be declining (i.e. R is decreasing), but if R>1, which it is for the NW and was until this last week for the country as a whole, then the growth is still exponential.
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09-20-2020 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Willd
A second full lockdown shouldn't have been necessary (and hopefully still won't be) but the terrible messaging and complete lack of competency shown by the government has resulted in confusing guidelines. That, combined with the whole Cummings fiasco and an appearance of "one rule for us, another for them", has caused a lack of adherence to the measures supposed to keep the spread under control and consequentially there has been a rise in cases.
I despair bit at this. Yes the messaging has been terrible, the guidelines confusing and Cummings not resigning was awful but it's all froth that makes a marginal difference to the re-mergence

Barring a lucky save with the vaccine, the re-emergence was inevitable once the government relaxed the lockdown. We have to reduce the number of cases with lockdown type measures and then only open up well within our ability to stamp out any new outbreaks fast.

Or we live with it. Messaging/etc wont stop it. Of course if we have to live with it then a competent government managing it would help a lot.
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09-20-2020 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Of course it's trending, because there's enough people that can look at everything in context and realise it's the wrong thing to do. "But exponential rise in cases", he'd say. OK then:

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Yea not exponential. JFC crawl back in your ignorance cave.

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09-20-2020 , 12:48 PM
The irony being the maskflakes are going to make a significant contribution to another lockdown by maskflaking.
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09-20-2020 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by haadgi
Douglas Ross really isn’t doing the job they thought he would, he’s all over the place. complete shitshow from Scottish conservatives
It's because he looks like a PC World salesman.

But yeah, this isn't new, they've been a shitshow in Scotland for so long now because, to our credit, we never bought the brexit bullshit and as a party that's really all they have to offer.
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09-20-2020 , 04:57 PM
There has been a slight uptick in the state of British politics today, because the government has rowed back from 'post-modern queer theory' and squelched the move to self-ID (whereby any huge hairy-bollocked bearded man demanding to be called Daphne could have automatically accessed women's single-sex spaces as defined and protected by the Equality Act 2010).



Unfortunately this doesn't apply in Scotland, where the increasingly strange SNP are hellbent on self-ID and are doing a sterling job of making Boris Johnson's England look sane and well-adjusted. (Which, as you can imagine, takes quite a bit of effort.)
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09-21-2020 , 02:51 AM
Joke that made me lol on the News Quiz this week (I'm paraphrasing): 'Priti Patel's biography should be called "The Female Enoch"
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09-21-2020 , 04:17 PM
Theresa May is officially hacked off.





Johnson still has the numbers for now, but his hold over the backbenchers is maybe not what it was.
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09-22-2020 , 10:53 AM
BoJo ritually humiliating himself will never get old for me.

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09-22-2020 , 05:06 PM
Strewth, it's like he thinks Germans all go round goose-stepping or something. (While waving die-straight EU bananas, no doubt.) Actually the German Grundgesetz is a rather fine document, which Germans are rightly proud of, and you can buy it in paperback in any bookshop, which is more than you can do with our constitution.

Anyway his celebrated schtick is wearing thin with the public. They're still wary of Labour as a brand for obvious 'Let's send the nerve agent samples to Putin so he can tell us if he's guilty or not' reasons, but they like Starmer a fair bit better than Johnson.

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09-23-2020 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Johnson still has the numbers for now, but his hold over the backbenchers is maybe not what it was.
That's putting it mildly. Conservative backbenchers are proving a far more robust opposition than Labour.
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09-23-2020 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
You make some naked claims with no substantiation, as someone who believes the world is flat, no one is going to give any such assertions even the tiniest nano quantum of credit.
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[Imperial College epidemiologist Neil] Ferguson was behind the disputed research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. He also predicted that up to 150,000 people could die. There were fewer than 200 deaths. . . .

In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the U.K., there were only 177 deaths from BSE.

In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009.

In 2009, a government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the U.K.

Last March, Ferguson admitted that his Imperial College model of the COVID-19 disease was based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus. Ferguson declined to release his original code so other scientists could check his results. He only released a heavily revised set of code last week, after a six-week delay.

So the real scandal is: Why did anyone ever listen to this guy?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...s-in-disgrace/

What, you didnt know this information?
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09-24-2020 , 08:04 AM
Quick blast on google shows those claims to be BS.

For example. Predicting that upto 150K people could die. What he actually said:

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Mad Cow paper:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11786878

From abstract:
“Extending the analysis to consider absolute risk, we estimate the 95% confidence interval for future vCJD mortality to be 50 to 50,000 human deaths considering exposure to bovine BSE alone, with the upper bound increasing to 150,000 once we include exposure from the worst-case ovine BSE scenario examined.”
On BSE, he predicted 50 to 50,000 deaths *by 2080*. His lower bound was 40 deaths and his upper bound was ~7,000 deaths for cumulative deaths by 2020.

He emphasised that the worst-case scenarios were far less likely than other scenarios and the paper suggests that the best estimate is 100 deaths to 1,000 deaths. See: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature709/ and https://www.nature.com/news/2002/020...s020107-7.html

All those statements are from your horribly biased right wing editorial toilet paper are pure shock jock journalist sensationalism, where they take the biggest number mentioned and simply ignore all the context around it.

Also, he was wrong about C19 because he only predicted 7-20K deaths if we went into lockdown, so he massively underestimated that.
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09-24-2020 , 01:34 PM
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That's putting it mildly. Conservative backbenchers are proving a far more robust opposition than Labour.
I wouldn't say that. When the government has a large majority, its own backbenchers can be more of a hazard than the opposition, but Tories are an invertebrate species. The three backbench 'revolts' expected next week will only muster about 25 MPs, so Johnson can walk it anyway and won't care. He's probably more bothered about Sunak blatantly grooming himself to take over, but then Sunak's honeymoon with the public is likely to end when the job losses hit, as they soon must. In that atmosphere, Sunak's extreme wealth will not be a political asset.
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09-24-2020 , 01:43 PM
Sunak will prove his political skills if he finds a convincing argument with Boris to resign over before the **** hits the economic fan.

Boris going 'too far' to reach a deal with the EU could be a contender.
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09-24-2020 , 03:23 PM
Back benchers can always seem more effective in current situation because what ever the opposition do, they cant defeat the government.

A BB revolt (assuming Labour et al support) can defeat the government, so seems more potent and the sitting government has to take it more seriously.
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09-25-2020 , 01:50 AM
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Sunak's honeymoon with the public is likely to end when the job losses hit, as they soon must. In that atmosphere, Sunak's extreme wealth will not be a political asset.
I really doubt his (wife's) personal wealth will be a factor. He's a self-made man and didn't go to Eton (which I think is a far bigger stick to beat someone with).

He's young, likable and extremely competent. I don't see any situation where he's not leading the Tories into the next election. He's pretty much the only front line Tory I'd vote for ahead of Starmer, and I expect many others feel the same.
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09-25-2020 , 03:31 AM
Never going to vote for him obv' but was a lot more impressed before the 'Eat out to help out' scheme. How anyone thought that was the right direction to go in is beyond me.
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09-25-2020 , 05:01 AM
I didn't use the scheme myself, but it was undeniably popular.
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09-25-2020 , 05:08 AM
That makes it right then?
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