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That means you are not getting the good ones from those countries though...

And if you want to "raise the pay of the lowest paid workers" then stop immigration of unskilled people and the market will adjust until the host population accepts to do those jobs.

But if you keep taking in people accepting to work at lower wages , wages will stay low. Unless ofc you want to decide wages in parliament which is a complete non starter for non marxists (and inevitably creates economic disasters)

Immigrants are being used to help out with the recruting crisis in the low paid social care sector. The employers are local authorities, who are starved of funding (or in some cases private companies who are contracted by local authorities). The market won't adjust, the jobs just go unfilled and the crisis continues. It suits the government to bring in immigrants to do these jobs rather than funding such a crucial sector.

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Yesterday , 10:16 AM

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Which is why Bhutan is as rich as Switzerland.

Keep going

You keep going. You have one thesis only (poor immigrants = bad) and ignore the myriad of other factors that differentiate diverse countries from each other.

Oh I wonder how Switzerland managed to become so wealthy when it was positioned in the middle of wealthy countries and supplied luxury goods and a tax-haven to them while staying out of conflicts.

Why oh why oh why?

It's moronic.

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Yesterday , 11:08 AM

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You don't need to explain the entirety of the outcome with better quality of people living somewhere, to claim immigrant from that place are a better economical fit for a civilized country.

So unless you want to claim that it never matter in the slightest who lives somewhere, for the economic outcome of that place...

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Yesterday , 11:11 AM

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You are told you have to stake 10 people otherwise you aren't going to be able to pay pensions.

I am telling you to pick people from countries whose regs systematically crush, you claim that's completely irrelevant and a country where poker is fully illegal is going to have good poker regs with the same distribution as every other countries

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Yesterday , 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Luciom

You don't need to explain the entirety of the outcome with better quality of people living somewhere, to claim immigrant from that place are a better economical fit for a civilized country.

Name an uncivilised country.

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Yesterday , 11:28 AM

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lol that's a really stupid analogy. Come on, you can do better than this bs... I hope.

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Yesterday , 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Reform turn the stomachs of enough current tory voters to drive them to other parties or abstention so they don’t have 36% as one party.

If they did unite under one party it would be so extreme that existing centrist One Nation tories might start a new party, leaving room for Labour to move back to the left once their prick of a “leader” has been deposed. There are only so many parties that can occupy the same ground under a FPTP system.

Maybe but I think almost all of the centrist one nation tories are already out of the tory figure voters.

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Maybe but I think almost all of the centrist one nation tories are already out of the tory figure voters.

Mostly to libdems?

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Yesterday , 02:30 PM

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some. Others to the one nation tory party 'changed labour'

I know a few diehard centrist tories and they're voting green. Maybe that applies to a few posters here as well.

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Sadly it does look like that. If Brexit had worked as advertised, the lack of relatively cheap immigrant labour for the NHS and the care sector would have led to increased pay and hence increased recruitment and retention from the home UK workforce, but that does not seem to have happened. Maybe the likely incoming Labour administration will reach pay deals that start to turn this around, but probably they won't find the financial room for it.

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Yesterday , 03:42 PM

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Tories and Labour on course for lowest share of the vote since 1945

Poll reveals historically low support for the big two, with smaller parties up by five points

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ote-since-1945
Both a sign of the danger we're in and a ray of hope

Labour 40% vs 37% for tories + reform (objections acepted)

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No you don't, but you do become highly aware that there are good and bad people everywhere in the world and that it doesn't really matter whether someone's from a western or non western country. I'm sorry you don't seem to have had these experiences that would have better informed your views about different groups of people.

It seems to matter to the subset of people from non-western countries who want to get from a place where they're surrounded by non-westerners and society is run to non-western values to a place where they are surrounded by westerners and society is run to western values.

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That’s clearly not the point I was making.

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That’s clearly not the point I was making.

But it's the proper corollary of the point you were making

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Today , 07:15 AM

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A very small subset, unless you subscribe to the 80 million Turks are coming to the UK mentality, which possibly you do.

But people being attracted to countries with higher GDP per capita has nothing to do with the point I was making.

Many people would leave the UK for the US if the were able to. Does that mean the UK are “bad people” because they’re from a poorer country? That was what being discussed before you decided to hop in with something irrelevant.

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If you had data showing that people from the UK in aggregate were a net drain of fiscal resources in the USA then yes you would be allowed to claim they are a bad match for that country (in other words, you would be able to claim the host country would be better off banning immigration from the UK).

And certainly you wouldn't be able to claim UK immigrants were paying american pensions

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