I did, and I would reject that proposal as a foot in the door.

If someone is in France he is not at direct threat of life, nor under persecution, unless he is allergic to frog meat.

Which means that any attempt to move from there to any third country in violation of that country rules is a voluntary criminal act with no moral or practical justification, which should deny him or her right of asylum not only in the third country, but everywhere.

Same applies to anyone moving from any country where his life isn't directly threatened nor his basic human rights denied ofc.

Btw encouraging criminal behavior is itself a crime in most countries so any leftist found to encourage people to criminally enter a country should be arrested (where it is illegal to encourage criminal behavior)

At least the guardian (opinion piece) admits it.

Then ofc you can cheer it as a positive sure, opinions can always vary.

But they don't deny it's happening @jalfrezi

I don't know why but I'm not so inclined to take your word for what is or isn't "lunatic-driven".

No, that's not what was being said.

Some leave, some stay, I don't really care.

But I'm glad if people like this family go to prison:

I'm glad immigrant criminals pay for their crimes as well yes

Why do you want to punish immigrants more than British people?


And how do you know they're immigrants?

what you wrote was about people immigrated to Switzerland.

or visiting there perhaps, anyway foreigners in Switzerland.

yes I think the laws should punish foreigners more than citizens.

we might have a reason to try to recover our own, and use the legal system not only to deter and punish; while for foreigners, we owe them absolutely nothing so punishment should be way more draconian with no regard for their welfare, and exclusively to minimize their chance to ever want to do crime while in our country, and to get rid of them for good when they do.

edit: I googled the name and they are swiss, so my bad, I thought they were British from your mistaken quote.

why did you tell me their nationality wrong?

See: Israel.

I think this is probably wrong - do you mean laws or sentences? In other words, should we have laws that target immigrants, or should the same laws apply but stiffer sentences?

I assume you mean the latter as you talk about punishment - Ideologically (for me at least), laws are not about "punishment", but maintaining order, and prisons should be rehabilitative more so than a punishment.

As for dealing with immigrants more harshly, it's a no but I understand the sentiment. If it's laws targeting foreigners - Yikes!

Closed list true. Open list is pretty good though.

Voters, choose a party list and then choose whom they support from that list, and the candidates with most support take the seat. Parties generally put some independents to attract extra votes too.

STV is still better.

I mean laws (which usually in europe have a sentencing range as well). Same identical crime , much higher range for foreigners. Prison has no reason to be rehabilitative for foreigners.

And btw foreigners shouldn't stay in national prison. They should be deported and get into prison in their country, the hell you pay for them for years. Automatic deportation after any criminal sentence should be a very basic idea.

If for some reason the original country doesn't agree and doesn't imprison the person, who cares he is not in the country anymore lol. Ofc death penalty if he ever tries to re-enter. Shoot on sight.

What do you mean by foreigner?

Not a citizen of the country where the crime is committed

"Citizen" has many meanings. Some people on visas are eligible to vote, others with indefinite leave to remain don't.

which first world country do you know that doesn't have a legal definition of citizen? usually ( i think everywhere? ) citizens are those who can get a passport issued by that country

There are often stages people have to go through to qualify before they are eligible for a passport, which can mean several years. I'm just trying to work out who you want to be shot on sight if they try to return after deportation.

If they return after deportation caused by a crime committed in that nation, which they were found guilty of.

Anyone that can be deported (ie every non citizen).

Yes there can be stages, every country can find it's own equilibrium. I'd just like to see an explicit, constitutionally valid, 2 tier treatment of people in countries, where citizens have explicit privileges.

Like in the roman empire.

How do you see this shooting taking place? On production of their ID at immigration? Like they're taken to a courtyard and executed there?