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04-21-2024 , 11:04 AM
If it's tomorrow, JC wins.

If it's in 6 months, I wouldn't trust him to be able to disavow Hamas and show support for Ukraine, so I take Truss.
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04-21-2024 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
it's an odd scenario but i supect JC wins easily because the left could mobalise a huge group of young people overnight to help get the labour vote out.
Young people don't vote. They can't be bothered to get up before the polls close at 10pm, after a night out, and they still think their mum ought to do it for them. The lettuce would win, as Husker indicated.
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04-21-2024 , 02:59 PM
Loads of young people vote. Momentum and co vote. More to the point they would also work all night and the following day to get the vote out
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04-21-2024 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
If it's tomorrow, JC wins.

If it's in 6 months, I wouldn't trust him to be able to disavow Hamas and show support for Ukraine, so I take Truss.
Demanding a ceasefire and political talks would play way better with the elecorate than it used to. Israel have burned through their support like a wildfire.

JC might do very well from this.
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04-22-2024 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Loads of young people vote. Momentum and co vote. More to the point they would also work all night and the following day to get the vote out
Momentum (if it even still exists) is a fringe group. And it isn't mostly young people who go round getting the vote out, which is just as well because most voters wouldn't relate to them. And Labour's youth vote actually declined under Corbyn -- it did in '17, compared to the previous GE, even at the height of the 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn' thing when less-well-informed Remainers still thought he was Remain, and it did even further in '19, after his pro-Putin reaction to the Salisbury poisonings and his gradual outing as a Left Leaver. Photos of Corbynite meetings at the time always looked as if the plaster had fallen off the ceiling, because everyone had white hair, because they were basically elderly middle-class tankies wanting to re-live their college days.
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04-22-2024 , 05:04 PM
yeah ok. we can do better has best part of 500k folowers. Maybe you dont call them young but i'm an old git and in political reality they are. They are involved, active and would mobalise in hours if this bizarre hypothetical was a reality. Your attacks on the left will still be sleeping or asking for their tea. I'd take the bizarre hypothetical in an instant.

I accept saying 'momentum' was an error. Interesting they are looking at ending their reliance on being a labour member so that they can appeal to left wing voters again.
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Today , 04:01 AM
Rumour today that the SNP will end their agreement to govern with the Greens. They've been forced into this by the fact that Green members are to have a vote on whether to continue in government and it's widely accepted that having the juniour partners in the agreement decide to leave would be another major embarrassment so they'll make the decision first. It's another failure for Humza as he was very vocal in his support for the coalition during his leadership campaign and said that ending the agreement would be 'a very foolish thing to do'. Only yesterday he was still talking up the coalition and saying that SNP members wouldn't get a vote on whether it should continue as they had already agreed to it previously. Looks like the SPADS have convinced him then.

The main issues for the Greens are the Cass report, which the leadership don't accept, and the scrapping of climate targets, which the leadership were fine with but their members weren't.

Hopefully it also means Patrick Harvie resigning from the Green party leadership and a more serious person replacing him.

*Edit - just a minute after I typed this the BBC have announced it is over.

Last edited by Husker; Today at 04:15 AM.
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Today , 07:37 AM
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Don't lie by calling Guevara a terrorist.
He was a racist thug who admitted he enjoyed killing people.
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Today , 07:40 AM
I see the Boot 'em off to sunny Rwanda bill has finally passed
https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/rw...k-1617736.html
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Today , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
He was a racist thug who admitted he enjoyed killing people.
Welcome back.

Link please?
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Today , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Welcome back.

Link please?
his little snippet from a 1966 speech by Guevara ought to have given Zetsche some pause:

Hatred is the central element of our struggle! Hatred that is intransigent...hatred so violent that it propels a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him violent and cold- blooded killing machine...We reject any peaceful approach. Violence is inevitable. To establish Socialism rivers of blood must flow! The imperialist enemy must feel like a hunted animal wherever he moves. Thus we'll destroy him! These hyenas are fit only for extermination. We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm! The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims!


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As for Guevara's views on race, he did not mince words. After the Revolution's victory in 1959, he famously said, "We're going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.

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Speaking of blacks he said: "The ***** is indolent and lazy, and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent."

https://www.heritage.org/political-p...adistic-racist
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Today , 09:13 AM
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Welcome back.
Thanks, I'm touched.

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Link please?
On what? Him being a racist scumbag? Let's hear from the great man, shall we?
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“The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese
Stay classy Che.

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“The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations.”
Che "I really dislike black people" Guevara, musing in his diary
https://afropunk.com/2011/03/che-gue...nto-his-diary/

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"We're going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing."
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ut-superiorit/

Or a link on being a bloodthirsty sadist who enjoyed personally executing people?
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexp...al%20prisoners.

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In 1948 Guevara went to Buenos Aires to study medicine. Restless by nature, he left his native land in 1952 on an eight-month journey of discovery and awakening. As he made his way north through South America, Guevara witnessed injustices that filled him with indignation. "I will be with the people," he wrote in the journal he called viaje, "journey." "I will dip my weapons in blood and, crazed with fury, I will cut the throats of my defeated enemies. I can already feel my dilated nostrils savoring the acrid smell of gunpowder and blood, of death to the enemy." One year later, having completed his medical degree, he left Argentina for good.
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Guevara's first assignment was to oversee executions at an infamous prison, La Cabaña. Between 1959 and 1963, approximately 500 men were killed under his watch. Many individuals imprisoned at La Cabaña, including human rights activist Armando Valladares, allege that Guevara took a personal interest in the interrogation, torture, and execution of political prisoners.
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In the article “My Cousin, El Che,” Alberto Benegas Lynch Jr. describes how Che Guevara enjoyed torturing animals —a trait common to serial killers. His record of murdering and torturing people is extensive. Researchers have documented 216 victims of Che Guevara in Cuba from 1957 to 1959. Suspicion was all that was needed to end a life. There was no need for trial because he said the Revolution could not stop “to conduct much investigation; it has the obligation to triumph.”
https://humanprogress.org/the-truth-...mass-murderer/

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In a letter to his father Ché Guevara wrote: “I have to confess to you, dad, that at that moment I discovered that I really like to kill.”
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In an appearance on Channel 6 of the TV in February 1959, Che declared that “in La Cabaña “all executions are made by express orders of mine” Indeed, hundreds of executions were carried out. “Che” did not believe in court procedures. He said: “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hatred.”
https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2019...che-editorial/

So yeah he was a racist homophobic scumbag who took a sadistic pleasure in personally killing people as he admitted in a letter to his dear old dad.
If you need any more links lemme know mate.
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Today , 09:27 AM
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Laurence Fox ordered to pay £90,000 to two people he called ‘paedophiles’

High court judge orders actor turned politician to pay damages to each individual for social media libel
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...ed-paedophiles
oh dear. what a shame.
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