If it's tomorrow, JC wins.

If it's in 6 months, I wouldn't trust him to be able to disavow Hamas and show support for Ukraine, so I take Truss.

Young people don't vote. They can't be bothered to get up before the polls close at 10pm, after a night out, and they still think their mum ought to do it for them. The lettuce would win, as Husker indicated.

Loads of young people vote. Momentum and co vote. More to the point they would also work all night and the following day to get the vote out

Demanding a ceasefire and political talks would play way better with the elecorate than it used to. Israel have burned through their support like a wildfire.

JC might do very well from this.

Momentum (if it even still exists) is a fringe group. And it isn't mostly young people who go round getting the vote out, which is just as well because most voters wouldn't relate to them. And Labour's youth vote actually declined under Corbyn -- it did in '17, compared to the previous GE, even at the height of the 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn' thing when less-well-informed Remainers still thought he was Remain, and it did even further in '19, after his pro-Putin reaction to the Salisbury poisonings and his gradual outing as a Left Leaver. Photos of Corbynite meetings at the time always looked as if the plaster had fallen off the ceiling, because everyone had white hair, because they were basically elderly middle-class tankies wanting to re-live their college days.

yeah ok. we can do better has best part of 500k folowers. Maybe you dont call them young but i'm an old git and in political reality they are. They are involved, active and would mobalise in hours if this bizarre hypothetical was a reality. Your attacks on the left will still be sleeping or asking for their tea. I'd take the bizarre hypothetical in an instant.

I accept saying 'momentum' was an error. Interesting they are looking at ending their reliance on being a labour member so that they can appeal to left wing voters again.

Rumour today that the SNP will end their agreement to govern with the Greens. They've been forced into this by the fact that Green members are to have a vote on whether to continue in government and it's widely accepted that having the juniour partners in the agreement decide to leave would be another major embarrassment so they'll make the decision first. It's another failure for Humza as he was very vocal in his support for the coalition during his leadership campaign and said that ending the agreement would be 'a very foolish thing to do'. Only yesterday he was still talking up the coalition and saying that SNP members wouldn't get a vote on whether it should continue as they had already agreed to it previously. Looks like the SPADS have convinced him then.

The main issues for the Greens are the Cass report, which the leadership don't accept, and the scrapping of climate targets, which the leadership were fine with but their members weren't.

Hopefully it also means Patrick Harvie resigning from the Green party leadership and a more serious person replacing him.

*Edit - just a minute after I typed this the BBC have announced it is over.

He was a racist thug who admitted he enjoyed killing people.

I see the Boot 'em off to sunny Rwanda bill has finally passed
https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/rw...k-1617736.html

Welcome back.

Link please?

his little snippet from a 1966 speech by Guevara ought to have given Zetsche some pause:

Hatred is the central element of our struggle! Hatred that is intransigent...hatred so violent that it propels a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him violent and cold- blooded killing machine...We reject any peaceful approach. Violence is inevitable. To establish Socialism rivers of blood must flow! The imperialist enemy must feel like a hunted animal wherever he moves. Thus we'll destroy him! These hyenas are fit only for extermination. We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm! The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims!


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As for Guevara's views on race, he did not mince words. After the Revolution's victory in 1959, he famously said, "We're going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.

...

Speaking of blacks he said: "The ***** is indolent and lazy, and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent."

https://www.heritage.org/political-p...adistic-racist

Thanks, I'm touched.

On what? Him being a racist scumbag? Let's hear from the great man, shall we?
Stay classy Che.

Che "I really dislike black people" Guevara, musing in his diary
https://afropunk.com/2011/03/che-gue...nto-his-diary/

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ut-superiorit/

Or a link on being a bloodthirsty sadist who enjoyed personally executing people?
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexp...al%20prisoners.

https://humanprogress.org/the-truth-...mass-murderer/

https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2019...che-editorial/

So yeah he was a racist homophobic scumbag who took a sadistic pleasure in personally killing people as he admitted in a letter to his dear old dad.
If you need any more links lemme know mate.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...ed-paedophiles
oh dear. what a shame.

£180k won't be a problem for his backers.

It is fairly well known that Guevara, for all his charisma, was a profoundly unpleasant individual. Max Hastings, in Abyss (which is about the Missile Crisis but gives a good account of the Cuban revolution), refers to 'the supremely handsome Che Guevara, a sea-green incorruptible [that's a Robespierre reference] whom women went crazy for, and who now [1957] embarked on a relationship with eighteen-year-old blacksmith's daughter Zoila Rodriguez. Raul Castro once met Che riding through moonlit jungle on a white horse, ahead of a captured army jeep and supply truck. Yet the doctor, almost certainly psychopathic, also enjoyed personally executing alleged stool-pigeons.' (Abyss, p.39.)

There's no indication that Guevara differed from Castro's macho homophobia, which in 1965-8 saw Cuban gay men put in UMAP forced-labour camps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...Aid_Production And his racism towards South America's black people (such as Pele, say) was quite eye-watering.

Guevara is a fantasy figure because of all those student posters and T-shirts based on a single photo. But if you look at the whole reel shot by Alberto Korda on that occasion, it's only in that one frame that Guevara looks that impressive. He certainly had something that caught attention, but basically what he had wasn't, in the end, good.

I've never seen the notorious 1969 Hollywood biopic Che!, starring Omar Sharif as Guevara and Jack Palance as Castro. It's said to be quite dull, but it must be pretty weird.

yusuf about to face a confidence vote; there are 63 SNPers and 64 belonging to other parties

63 of the others have said they are going to vote against. that leaves the solo alba party person, who is yet to declare, with the deciding vote!

Scottish First Minister Humza Yousaf, having ditched the agreement with the Greens and now running a minority government, will face a no-confidence motion brought by Scottish Tories next week. The SNP has 63 MSPs and the opposition parties, now including the Greens, can muster 64. If the lone Alba MSP, Ash Regan, votes with the government, it will produce a 64-64 tie and the Presiding Officer, despite being a former Green, will have to rule in favour of the status quo. If Regan votes with the opposition, Yousaf is obviously in a certain amount of trouble. Regan has written to him setting out her terms as the price of her vote. He may now somewhat regret referring to her as 'no great loss' when she defected to Alba.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3g8dwn01gno

Ash Regan who Humza delcared was 'no great loss' when she defected from the SNP to Alba last year. He's either going to have to humiliate himself even further to try to get her onside or do the honourable thing and quit.

I'm going with the former.

the only acceptable outcome is for the SNP to make a heap of concessions to alba to secure the vote of confidence, and then for one rogue SNPer to unexpectedly vote no and simultaneously defect to alba

That would be funny, yes. And no Alba candidate has been elected yet (they've only got an MSP and a couple of Westminster MPs by defection), but that might change at the next GE, given the SNP's recent motorhome problems.

Fergus Ewing was suspended from the SNP recently for voting in a no confidence vote against the Greens co leader, Lorna Slater. Humza will now need Ewing's support to survive his own vote of no confidence with Lorna Slater saying she will be voting against him. So many ironic possibilities here.

Good chance I may be wrong with this prediction

While the Greens have a no-confidence motion against the First Minister, Labour are tabling a no-confidence motion against the Scottish government. As the Scot Lib Dems are backing it, it will pass the 25-MSP test to gain a debate. SNP flacks are briefing that the First Minister doesn't have to resign if he loses a no-confidence vote. But he does really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68903926

I'm pivoting back to my original assessment that Humza will humiliate himself even more rather than quit. His lack of self awareness is incredible.

Heard another example of the lack of serious people at Hollyrood today on the drive home from work. The Greens Health Spokesperson started crying on radio when talking about them being out of government. She'll miss her SNP pals apparently. She was also crying in parliament yesterday. These people shouldn't be anywhere near politics, nevermind government.