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05-28-2019 , 03:29 PM
And of course there's this quite famous tweet from a certain Labour MP in 2012, vocally supporting another party's candidate. (The Labour candidate in Bradford West came second.)


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05-29-2019 , 01:21 AM
What exactly changed with the EU-election and with the resignation of Theresa May? Could it be that nothing changed? The problems are still the same and there is still no solution.
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05-29-2019 , 03:42 AM
Daily Mirror claim they have an exclusive, that Corbyn will back a second ref. No one else reporting it tho.
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05-29-2019 , 06:07 AM
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Boris Johnson has been ordered to appear in court over claims he lied when saying the UK gave the EU £350m a week.

The Tory leadership candidate has been accused of misconduct in public office after making the claim during the 2016 EU referendum campaign.

It is a private prosecution launched by Marcus Ball, who crowdfunded £200,000 for the case.

The preliminary hearing will take place at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

District Judge Margot Coleman said the case would then be sent to the Crown Court for trial.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48445430
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05-29-2019 , 06:15 AM
What a stupid court case. We did indeed contribute 18.9 bill gross to EU == 363 million a week


I agree it was a misrepresentation, the net was something like 180 mill a week net... still a staggering amount. I never understood why not use that figure on the side of the bus, it's still a sickening amount of money to give away to keep Brussels in wine and grapes.

But I guess the gravy train don't feed itself.
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05-29-2019 , 06:33 AM
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Daily Mirror claim they have an exclusive, that Corbyn will back a second ref. No one else reporting it tho.
He is making more 2nd Ref noises. I think we are nearly there now. Still have to fade a GE and a few other unlikely scenarios but it's looking hopeful (from my perspective anyway). Still have to win it of course.

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Originally Posted by diebitter
What a stupid court case. We did indeed contribute 18.9 bill gross to EU == 363 million a week


I agree it was a misrepresentation, the net was something like 180 mill a week net... still a staggering amount. I never understood why not use that figure on the side of the bus, it's still a sickening amount of money to give away to keep Brussels in wine and grapes.

But I guess the gravy train don't feed itself.
I can't see the case flying but it's one to watch because it's would be staggering groundbreaking if boris loses. And he might be PM while fighting it.
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05-29-2019 , 07:07 AM
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05-29-2019 , 08:54 AM
Nothing wrong with supporting events organised by other political parties afaik

Attila the Stockbroker is still going strong

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05-29-2019 , 10:41 AM
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Rule 4.B: "A member of the Party who... supports a political organisation other than an official Labour group or other unit of the Party... shall automatically be ineligible to be or remain a Party member. "
There are plenty of other examples above of the rules being selectively enforced. Clearly being a Blairite is a far more heinous crime than being an anti-semite in the eyes of the senior Labour bods.
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05-29-2019 , 02:50 PM
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Nothing wrong with supporting events organised by other political parties afaik
You are mistaken. Supporting and campaigning for other parties is expressly forbidden and is an expulsion offence. Voting for other parties is a matter of conscience and is not covered by the rule in question, as long as you don't announce your voting intention in advance of the polls, which would count as campaigning. Alastair Campbell only said how he'd voted after the polls closed.

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05-29-2019 , 02:54 PM
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There are plenty of other examples above of the rules being selectively enforced. Clearly being a Blairite is a far more heinous crime than being an anti-semite in the eyes of the senior Labour bods.
Jeremy Corbyn has written articles for the CPB newspaper The Morning Star and has stated, 'I support the Morning Star,' which is an expulsion offence. Corbyn was also chair of Stop the War Coalition, an SWP front, making him a campaigner for the SWP, which is again an expulsion offence. Corbyn has also packed his private office with CPB members. What Corbyn is still even doing in the Labour Party, I really do not know.
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05-29-2019 , 03:07 PM
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I agree it was a misrepresentation, the net was something like 180 mill a week net... still a staggering amount.
No, it isn't, it's about £3 a head. In terms of the government budget, it's near invisible: the NHS alone costs about £2.5 billion a week. Although it won't after Brexit, obviously, because, as Nigel Farage and Liam Fox have explained, there won't be any NHS after Brexit, let alone an extra £350m a week: the whole point of Brexit is to get rid of the NHS and the welfare system so the rich don't have to pay any taxes, as in the 19th-century US. You'll either pay thousands a month to US Blue Cross Healthcare or you'll just die.
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05-30-2019 , 05:50 AM
Yes, that's really the whole point about national budgets that people like diebitter just don't get, and which is easily exploited by printing large scary numbers on buses to elicit the moronic "Staggering amount" response.

For his benefit, UK GDP stands at around £2.1Trn and the net contribution to the EU of ~£9Bn p.a. isn't even half of one percent of GDP.
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05-30-2019 , 06:29 AM
Keeps Juncker and his ilk in the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed, I guess.
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05-30-2019 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
No, it isn't, it's about £3 a head. In terms of the government budget, it's near invisible: the NHS alone costs about £2.5 billion a week.
So we pay EU the equivalent of 7% of the NHS budget. What was I thinking, how could anyone object to that?
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05-30-2019 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Shandrax
The next british MP could be Mr. Bean and you wouldn't notice difference. The goal is to delay Brexit as long as possible in order to wait for the public opinion to shift towards remain. They were hoping that their propaganda does the trick, but it didn't work, because it was too obvious.

Currently every social science institute in the western world is working 24/7 to come up with more effective concepts of persuasion. So far nothing better than the usual public smear campaign coupled with throwing milkshakes has popped up yet. This is also a sign for the current state of things. They get a ton of money, but are unable to produce results.
Social science institutions understand the power of owning newspapers as several Brexit supporting billionaires do in the UK.

No point pointing out the power of the Brexit press in the UK to you though, something you are obviously oblivious too.
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05-30-2019 , 07:47 AM
Car production down 44.5%.

Everything is fine.
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05-30-2019 , 08:47 AM
Raab leadership bid:

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lolbitter
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05-30-2019 , 10:27 AM
What happened to Raab?
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05-30-2019 , 12:33 PM
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What happened to Raab?
Price has drifted, released a ridiculous video. He is probably struggling to differentiate himself from the plethora of idiotic zealots that are also running.
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05-30-2019 , 02:07 PM
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Keeps Juncker and his ilk in the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed, I guess.
Well, and Nigel Farage. Though Farage also gets a free townhouse in Chelsea (for himself and whoever his current mistress is, as he's been separated from his German second wife for some time) and a very large allowance from Arron Banks, which he has not declared to the European Parliament watchdogs, and Banks of course has not declared the source of that extremely large amount of money which can't come from Banks's known businesses, since his companies aren't that profitable.

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05-30-2019 , 02:11 PM
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So we pay EU the equivalent of 7% of the NHS budget. What was I thinking, how could anyone object to that?
Considering the enormous benefits of the single market -- largely Margaret Thatcher's creation, if your memory goes back that far -- no one in their right mind could object.
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05-30-2019 , 02:27 PM
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So we pay EU the equivalent of 7% of the NHS budget. What was I thinking, how could anyone object to that?
This is still the big problem for the remain side who have still made little headway into arguing the case to the public of why we want to part of the EU. Instead we have had decades of unanswered skepticism. Whatever the figure is, it's lot of money to belong to something they don't really feel they want to be part of.

It relates to that Junker article I posted (that you didn't care for because he said Europe sometimes) where he says that British politicians never talk of anything but economics when it comes to wanting to be part of the EU.

How the court case will play out politically is interesting. Can't be good for boris to be entangled in it but re brexit it keeps the fact of a big figure in the
headlines. If boris wins* then it will be 'proof' that the claim was fair even though in reality it wont mean that at all

* i've no idea how the timing of the case will coincide with any 2nd referendum so it might matter a lot or not at all.
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05-30-2019 , 02:28 PM
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05-30-2019 , 02:33 PM
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Price has drifted, released a ridiculous video. He is probably struggling to differentiate himself from the plethora of idiotic zealots that are also running.
but that also means that the plethora of idiotic zealots haven't managed to distance themselves from raab.

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