I'd put this differently. I think you should reject the deal just because you'd have to trust Boris to execute the follow up negotiations and implementations well.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50095368
WTF. He will tell the EU leaders to ignore Parliament? Your PM shows great loyalty to Britain, indeed.

Several MPs voted for the Letwin amendment who would have support the government on the deal. Letwin being an obvious example

For fk's sake UK, print the ballots for the People's Vote and get on with it already.

That's not quite right. The clear purpose of the Letwin amendment was to prevent a no deal arising by default on the 31st in the event that the deal was passed but all the required legislation wasn't.

There's no requirement for a delay if everything can be done in time. So there's no ignoring parliament involved as long as the extension is requested in case all the legislation isn't passed by the 31st.

So the Number 10 source was wrong? Or wrongly cited?

Quoting the beginning too now:

Well it does allow for a delay which Boris opposes. But it isn't a request for a delay unless it's needed.

Some may suspect an ulterior motive.

All just goes to show it was a gateway to no deal scam from Boris all along. All the "trust me, it's fine"s beforehand, "There will be no issue getting everything legislated no deal is not a concern" - And yet as soon as the amendment passed, which does nothing unless he does not pass all the legislation in time to withdraw with a deal - it's now not even worth voting for the deal at all!

Even if Boris bill had passed we could still have no dealed.

There is the matter of a trade agreement to agree over the 20 months of the transition period. If none is agreed its basically a no deal brexit in trade terms.

DUP hinting they might support a second referendum. Amazing.

That's not correct. As I previously pointed out, the Letwin amendment triggers the Benn Act. The Withdrawal Agreement has not now been approved by the House before the October 19 deadline laid down in the Act, so Johnson has until midnight to send the letter requesting an extension until January 31. If he does not do so, he is in breach of the law and Scotland's Inner Court will consider on Monday how to make him comply. Speaker Bercow has said he will sign the letter himself if the Scottish court asks him to.

It would, obviously, be quite insane for the House to approve such a radically transformative piece of law without scrutiny, and the Government hasn't even published the text of the Bill. And it can take quite a while for a bill to pass through the committee stage.

Slight warning: don't take too much notice of what the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg says her mate Demonic Cummings (the 'No.10 source') says. None of that means anything or has any legal force.

It's not 20 months. The Withdrawal Agreement will expire on 31 December 2020, enforcing No Deal, unless a two-year one-shot extension is agreed by next July.

https://fullfact.org/europe/no-deal-...nd-transition/

Johnson has already briefed Tory MPs that the whole point is to enforce No Deal at the end of next year. With all the obvious catastrophic consequences that will follow.

DUP MPs live in Northern Ireland. It has just belatedly dawned on them what's going to happen to them if they vote for anything that will break Northern Ireland away from the United Kingdom. Some gentlemen in black balaclavas will want a word with them, basically.

As I read on Twitter earlier, the DUP saw the ERG as unionists and the ERG saw the DUP as hardline Brexiteers.

Imagine being Arlene and having to explain to the UVF that you just were party to taking the first step towards a united Ireland by mistake.

And the DUP are also under threat from the UUP, who are themselves moving towards backing a second referendum.

There's a good boy.

Incidentally, Johnson is still trying to get round Padfield, but it's unlikely he can do this.

'Padfield' is legal shorthand for 'the frustration principle', referring to the legal precedent of Padfield v Minister of Agriculture (1968), which lays down that ministers may not frustrate the purpose of statute (in this case the Benn Act) and are subject to judicial review if they try it on.

So Johnson is consulting to see if he can persuade the EU to refuse an extension, or circumvent the Benn Act in some other way. But he can't, on the whole.

I'm well aware of that but the intent of the Letwin amendment was clear.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-are-voting-on
It was very clear and if somehow boris complies with it by leaving with his deal on the 31st then he is within the spirit of the Letwin amendment. That does entail asking for an extension but he is not required to use it.

and yes they pulled the vote on the deal so it hasn't been passed but Letwin himself said it was designed so that they can have that vote later (the speaker might disagree)

Confirmed on guardian which has published a copy of the "unsigned" letter, in fact signed by PM of great Britain whoever that is.

We have letters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50112924

I guess the EU will sit on the extension request letter for a while.