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Originally Posted by LoserWants2Change
diebitter, you asked me a question which I answered in a bit of depth. You ignored my reply. So I will ask you, what if a Brexit deal does indeed happen and we stay in the single market? This would mean we abide by EU laws (without a say in them) and we continue to have freedom of movement.
If we leave the single market but stay in the customs union, we can't sign free trade deals with the rest of the world.
Would you agree that Brexit is then pointless? Why do you want Brexit and what type of Brexit do you want?
Lastly, what is your view on the democratic will of the people of Britain?
I ignored it because it was full of your opinions presented as absolute certainties of what would happen if we leave, which I thought was nonsense as things that would certainly happen, so I didn't want to dignify the whole second part by actually replying at all. But okay, if we stick to what you repeated....
The minimum I want from a deal is to have control of our own trading arrangements, and not be beholden to the EU to regulate our own trade. I've said in the past I consider a seat at the EU table is effectively worthless now we've lost veto in so many areas, and I'd rather lose that seat at the table and regain power to make own trade deals. Personally, I don't care at all about freedom of movement one way or the other.
So I don't think Brexit is pointless at all, I just want it to not bind us on making trade deals. Just because the current people in charge are bad at it (and seemingly bad at everything, certainly when May was in charge), doesn't change how I feel about the principle at all.
If we don't get trade deals under our own control as part of this leaving the EU, I still want to leave as I'd see it as a first step to getting our own trade deals, and hope that the future will bring further separation from the EU, but that will depend on how successful leaving is perceived to be, so whilst it doesn't guarantee what I'd personally like, it's definitely a step in the right direction.
My view on the democratic will of the people? Well, I think if there's a referendum and there is a promise to deliver exit from the EU and that wins the ref, then we should exit the EU.
Last edited by diebitter; 10-14-2019 at 01:17 AM.