It is embarrassing, but there is not much we can do about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-nigel-farage

There's the question. And here is the answer. It's not a mistake.

The Labour leadership are Communists. They want Brexit because they think it will bring about The Revolution, which will enable them to kill everybody, which is all that Communists ever want. So they're onside with Farage. Red Fascists are the same as the Brown kind and, if you don't get that, you may pay for your ignorance with your life, quite shortly.

Oh, and this Channel 4 News report on Labour's Brexit ally Farage is quite interesting.

https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-...crets-revealed

Recall that Arron Banks is Russian-funded, and Theresa May shut down an MI5 investigation into Banks a while ago, a decision that may one day see her facing rather serious criminal charges.

Interestingly, at one point in this exchange Farage admits that EU Parliament elections are 'democratic', the one thing that Brexitards are always denying.

These one-sided smear campaigns are amazing. Apparently it is absolutely no problem that Soros is funding a remain-campaign and basically a whole party in the EU election.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...one-to-survive
https://www.volteuropa.org/transparency

Let's just assume for a moment there should be no private campaign-funding at all. There would be no nationwide political movements anymore and everyone would be happy. Well, maybe not everyone, but everyone who counts.

Wait, maybe there shouldn't be any foreign campaign-funding. It's certainly not in the interest of the UK that "foreign agents" influence british votings. How about something like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreig...gistration_Act

But wait again, wouldn't that elimiate the Soros campaign and only allow british citizens like Arron Banks to continue funding? I guess it would, therefore it's probably not a good idea.

https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/-/...ission-experts

George Soros is not a British citizen, as far as I know, and therefore legally cannot and does not fund any British electoral campaign. You appear to be touting a commonplace anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. This does not surprise me.

The funnelling of obviously foreign funding through Arron Banks's companies is of course legally questionable, since it's apparent that Banks himself does not have those means. It's also apparent that the Brexit Party is lying about its funding (since it claimed a large number of small individual donations at a time when it had no website or associated machinery capable of accepting such donations).

This was quite amusing.



And in one poll on EU Parliament voting intent, with an unusually large sample (though admittedly it's YouGov, whose polls tend to understate Labour support by one or two points compared to other polls), the Lib Dems have actually overtaken Labour as the anti-Farage option, because Labour Remainers, who make up the bulk of Labour support in the country, are twigging to the leadership's deception and deserting the party in quite considerable droves.

That's just lovely and I thank you for this posting, because I can use it to demonstrate the holes in such an attempt. Mistakes like that happen if you blindly follow standard arguments known from similar discussions.

Let me tell you exactly where your mistake is: First of all you are obviously twisting my statement. This is especially unfortunate, because my original statement is directly above yours, so everyone can read and compare. I said he founded the remain-campain and he is funding Volt, NOT a British electoral campaign.

Second you combine two accusations, "conspiracy theory" and "anti-semitic", which obviously do not fit either. It's not a conspiracy theory that Soros is funding the remain-campaign (article in the Guardian) and it's not anti-semitic to claim that foreigners should not be allowed to influence any votings in the UK. No Foreigner should be allowed, regardless of his or her religion. Yes, that does include jewish foreigners as well, but it's not directed exclusively against jews, hence it's not anti-semitic.

Last but not least, it should be noted that even the israeli "NGO-monitor" seems to have problems with Soros, and I think it is safe to assume that israelis (self-hate excluded) are not anti-semitic by default.

https://www.ngo-monitor.org/ngo-moni...y-foundations/

Last but not least: Being jewish is not a "Get out of jail free"-card for Soros. Yes, that is a straw-man, because you didn't say that, but I think it is an important insight and therefore it should be mentioned.

Tories breaking new ground again by maybe not even finishing 4th.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8911101.html

No. You are clearly mad, and nothing you say has any meaning.

I'm not a huge fan of rich people wielding political influence but given it happens why shouldn't have one helping to fund our (the remain) side? It's all open and above board. He backs 'Best for Britain' which is not a party but is about remaining/2nd referendum.

https://www.bestforbritain.org/.

On the general point of foreign citizens being involved in UK politics, I think we have to be grown up and accept that's how it's going to be - especially within Europe where it makes no sense to divide politics along member state lines. The main thing is that everyone, like Soros has, observes the rules and that there's transparency. What we mustn't allow to continue is anonymous, possibly malicious, interference in political advertising/etc especially from foreign states. If you want to fund something (above a normal person threshold) then we all have to know about it.

Would you feel the same if Soros was funding a pro Brexit campaign?

Yes of course.

Except I'd disagree with them.

Sure.

Because there is an obvious imbalance. Soros can give his personal opinion more weight, but it is worth exactly one vote (if he could vote).

What he backs is a campaign to influence the public opinion in Britan, and he doesn't do it because Theresa May has asked him. He does it for Brussels.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/91...ond-referendum
https://www.neweurope.eu/article/jun...kraine-brexit/

Besides that, the names of his campaigns always sound nice, but that doesn't mean much. "Best for Britain" is a glittering generality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glittering_generality

He has a vote for the European parliament, same as me.

I could vote in London for the UK parliament while investing the chezlaw billions in some UK political organisation and no-one would object on the grounds that it's helping my preferred candidates in Manchester (within the bounds of electoral law etc). Analogously it makes no sense to me to restrict ourselves to nation lines when we sit in one parliament.

He does it because of what he believes in. As I say, I'm not fan of rich people having this sort of influence in general but given that they do it's very good to have one who shares my views.

I don't support them because of their name. I can't imagine that Soros does either.

You think I would call foul if some rich non-UK European openly and legally funded a group like 'leave means leave'

Looking forward to seeing what the results for EU elections are next week. Will be very happy if anti-EU parties sweep in, we might actually see it becoming more like what it should be, a cooperative between nation-states, not a power-grabbing, centralising autocracy.

We can only hope.

So, how are we all voting on Thursday? I'm going for the Lib Dems.

Lib Dems barring something very dramatic from labour on a 2nd ref/remain.

May looks all but done now. Resignation Friday or early next week?

BJ in no.10, look what we've done....

an 'orrible pospect but the odds still favour it being someone else - though any of them are the worst as well.

still the brute fact is that bj/etc would not command a majority for a hard/no deal brexit and brexit can take them down too.

The polling for the European elections has made for some incredible viewing. Latest today has Labour and Conservatives on a combined 20% (13% Labour, 7% Conservative)

It's pretty clear remainers should libdem, leavers should Brexitx party

As a personal note, no way would I vote brexit party in a GE