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Wrong, you would love to continue, but you can't, because you realized that you don't have the slightest chance to win. Don't worry, it happens to the best.

Apparently the biggest study done on this recently (2018) reckons that while immigrants do skew results positively the mean white view in the UK trends towards neutral. Even your average leaver gives immigration a 4.6 on a scale of 1 to 10 when asked the question "do you feel that immigration had a positive or negative impact on the UK, including your local community?"

page 42 here.

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05-04-2019 , 03:34 PM

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History professor Glen O'Hara (Oxford Brookes) has this, a mildly though not very unusual example of what is known on Twitter as 'The Bastani Meme' -- a screenshot of Corbyn outrider and convicted criminal Aaron Bastani on a BBC politics show attempting to patronise a non-Corbyn Labour lady called Tess Milligan -- since it doesn't show Tess on the right.

More often, 'The Bastani Meme' looks like this, with Tess in place. The rule is simply that Bastani, the well-known Corbyn outrider and convicted criminal, has to be saying something bumptious and idiotic, consistent with his known character and his expression and posture in the screenshot.

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05-04-2019 , 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

In fact the Labour leadership do have a coherent position -- they want Brexit -- while pretending not to for electoral gain, because they know that near 80% of their voters and near 90% of their members oppose Brexit. They call it 'constructive ambiguity' and it is very much a deliberate policy, and it is Leninist doctrine: you use deception because the people don't know what's good for them. Only the 'vanguard', the Party leadership, get to say what goes.

We are so far apart on the nature of the Labour party and leadership that it's very hard to have a conversation.

Yes there is an element of constructive ambiguity, and that can be rightly criticised, but the idea that they have some clear decided view they don't want to reveal is just so way out there. The constructive ambiguity is to try to avoid exposing the splits in labour while letting the tories tear themselves apart.

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05-04-2019 , 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Shandrax

.... you don't have the slightest chance to win....

Clearly, you're not an adult.

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05-04-2019 , 09:07 PM

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Wrong, you would love to continue, but you can't, because you realized that you don't have the slightest chance to win. Don't worry, it happens to the best.

Actually I'm going to expand on my previous reply slightly because it will learn you something. When discussing politics on here, or elsewhere, we put our points of view forward and various political arguments. Human nature means we tend to stick to them more than we should but sometimes we have to admit that we're faced with evidence that shows we're wrong and the proper thing to do is accept that fact and move on. You're very simplistic view about 'winning' shows that, like your lack of decency' this is beyond your mental capacity. That is why you have the reputation on here that you do.

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05-04-2019 , 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

Bastani

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05-05-2019 , 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by WillieWin?

Surprise surprise, so there is a recent study that actually pinpoints the totally obvious mistake that unfortunately got overlooked by the highly competent people from the Guardian. Or maybe they didn't overlook it at all and the complete article is just left pro-migration propaganda.

When we look at p. 42 we see:
- mixed ethnicity 6.29
- asian ethnicity 6.50
- black ethnicity 6.97
- born in a non-EU country 6.90

Thank you for mentioning this.

As I said before, the study published in the Guardian can't be defended, regarless how good you are at debating. When your position allows checkmate next move, it's time to resign.

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05-05-2019 , 11:59 AM

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What if your position is checkmate on your opponent before his next move?

All the best.

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05-05-2019 , 03:21 PM

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This is complete meaningless drivel which has absolutely no bearing on the studies in question, or, indeed, on anything at all.

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05-06-2019 , 01:22 AM

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Junker on the right lines with this speech.

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British politicians aren't "passionate about Europe," European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told Hungarian media in an interview published Thursday, saying the U.K. had always insisted the EU was "about economic interests, not values."

"Over decades of meeting British politicians, my impression has always been that they don’t feel at home in the EU," Juncker told Hungarian outlet HVG. "I’ve not met anyone in their political elite who was passionate about Europe."

Juncker drew a link between the U.K.'s 2016 vote to leave the EU and the fact that British politicians "for decades" told voters that the EU is primarily about economic cooperation, not about common values.

https://www.politico.eu/article/jean...-about-europe/

and we're still doing it.

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05-06-2019 , 05:26 AM

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Junker on the right lines with this speech.

https://www.politico.eu/article/jean...-about-europe/

and we're still doing it.

Conflation of EU and Europe LOL. Standard EU bull****

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05-07-2019 , 02:11 AM

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This is complete meaningless drivel which has absolutely no bearing on the studies in question, or, indeed, on anything at all.

We feel honored by your presence, Captain Obvious.

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05-07-2019 , 05:32 AM

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lolRaab and lolBoris want to run for leader on a platform of renegotiating the backstop. Incredible stuff.

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05-07-2019 , 06:19 PM

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48188951

Brexit: UK will take part in European elections, says David Lidington
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[x] Brexit Party
[ ] Anyone else

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05-08-2019 , 02:49 AM

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lolbitter

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05-08-2019 , 02:17 PM

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It's that time again.

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05-09-2019 , 01:35 AM

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No, it's not that time again!

For some very strange reason people don't know what fascism really is, therefore they always come up with the wrong analogies.

Fascism in a nutshell means: The interests of the collective are more important than the interests of the indivdual. It started with Montesqieu's "Le bien particulier doit céder au bien public" and ended with Hitler's "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz".

Farage is a LIBERAL. He puts the interests of the individual before the interests of the collective. He is the exact OPPOSITE of a fascist. In fact he is an egoist like Adam Smith.

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05-09-2019 , 06:29 AM

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What's more fascist of these two?

a) submitting power to a single unelected authority

b) Resisiting the above?

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05-09-2019 , 06:41 AM

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Neither are remotely fascist. It's ludicrous language

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05-09-2019 , 06:46 AM

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What's more fascist of these two?

a) submitting power to a single unelected authority

b) Resisiting the above?

None of these options has anything to do with fascism. Fascism competes with communism and capitalism, not with democracy, dictatorship or monarchy. As long as you put the interests of the collective (the state) before the interests of the individual (the citizen), you can create a fascist society in every system.

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05-09-2019 , 08:07 AM

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You don't think A describes succinctly the origins and development of the EU?

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05-09-2019 , 08:19 AM

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No, it describes the creation of a union, but the EU could also become another Sowjet Union for instance. The creation of a union is neutral per se. Nevertheless the EU does show fascist tendencies.

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05-10-2019 , 09:05 AM

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oh dear, more bad news for remainers...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48225334

UK economy rebounds in first quarter

"The manufacturing sector grew at its fastest rate since 1988"

Still, I think your delusional belief system will allow you to find some explanation that allows you to discount reality, so you'll be fine

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05-10-2019 , 09:12 AM

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Yeah, companies stockpiling because of worries about the supply chain after Brexit is clearly sustainable growth. The subheadline of that exact article is "Brexit stockpiling by firms helps to lift UK growth in the first three months of the year."

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