So, 3 years after the UK voted to leave the EU, we prepare for participating in the European elections while simultaneously our government continues to try to leave before these elections or, failing that, before the 3rd leave date (so far) of the 31st October. Meanwhile the fight to have a 2nd referendum/revoke or have much softer brexit isn't going away.

• The Brexit Party under Farage, which sort of used to be ukip is leading the polls alongside Labour who may or may not be split badly on what to do.
  
• Tories are trying to avoid the election and seeing their support plummet while preparing to replaces Teresa May as pm sometime soon
  
• The Greens, Lib Dems and the new Change UK party are fighting the remain/2nd ref side.
  
• UKIP have moved further to the right.

The whole of UK politics is in turmoil with the future of the UK in doubt and our very system of government is under threat while we question - 'who do we want to be?' The rise of the right/nationalism in the UK but also very much across Europe looms over us.

The story continues ....

The biggest Brexit story doing the rounds is probably this.

Labour hints at backing Brexit deal without promise of referendum

Corbyn must be insane. Why on earth would you want to be seen assisting this ****? The Lib Dems basically got finished as a party for helping the Tories stop a subsidy to the middle classes. When the dust has settled on all this **** I don't see them ever recovering.

RIP UK and its main political parties.

He's not insane, he's just an extremely stupid upper-class Communist who's ideologically hostile to the EU and he wants Brexit at all costs. And, being a Communist, he's a cronyist, so he's got his mates like McCluskey to fix the NEC and deny the country a second referendum.

The Lib Dems did encounter that problem, yes, though their vote is recovering, just slightly. Remember, though, that the upper-class Communist Corbyn voted for the infamous Osborne welfare cuts (which even Iain Duncan Smith opposed and resigned over), and has pledged to continue them indefinitely, because he wants to waste the money on child benefit for middle-class couples and free tuition for middle-class students, in order to buy votes so he can create his Stalinist police-state utopia.

He wants Brexit because he thinks it will bring about The Revolution and, again, allow him to create his Stalinist police-state utopia. He is simply too stupid to see what his policy is going to do to the Labour vote (75% of Labour voters and near 90% of members being Remain) when his treachery is discovered. And he doesn't care because he calculates that he'll have Stalinist police-state powers by then anyway. Which he quite possibly will, unless the Army takes the appropriate action in time.

Yes, quite.

Not sure about the article, but headline gave me a laugh


Labour's Brexit policy is as deliberately clear as the rules of Mornington Crescent

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8893816.html

Off topic, but I just lost the Keith Vaz game.

Is that where you shake hands with someone, and not only lose a ring, you lose a finger too?

Just googled it, and Hoopie made me lose the game too

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...-brexit-party/

David Lammy inspired me to stand for the Brexit Party


That's a bit strong, he just makes me want to vomit violently whenever he has a choice to argue rationally, or talk emotional rhetoric bollocks involving hyperbolic metaphors that are ludicrous, and goes for the latter. (EVERY.SINGLE.TIME)

EU Election cards just got posted through my front door.

**** JUST GOT REAL

Gavin Williamson sacked for leaking. Back to selling fire places then.

Yeah got mine.

Local elections today for many (not me) which will be a goldmine for brexit indications. A fools goldmine perhaps as the brexit party and changuk aren't involved at all, while ukip are only contesting some seats.

People don't understand Brexit, because they don't know how it all started. Back in the day when de Gaulle and Adenauer signed the Elysee-Treaty they intended to create an european continental superpower with France and Germany as the backbone. The reason was simple as they didn't want to be the nuclear battlefield of World War 3.

When Kennedy found out about it, he was furious. He campaigned hard to get the UK to join the european project in order to sabotage it from the inside. While he managed to push Adenauer out of office, he couldn't do anything against de Gaulle though. Therefore the UK entered the "European Economic Community" shortly after de Gaulle resigned.

The famous scene from "Yes Minister" is so funny, because it's so true and everyone knew it. Ever since then the UK was doing everything they could to prevent french-german domination in Europe, but it all ended with the Treaty of Maastricht when the unanimous voting system got removed. That's why the US campaigned hard to get the eastern european states to join, so there was more chaos and a possible shift in majorities. This is also the reason why so much american money went to projects in Poland for instance.

It took almost 50 years for France to get rid of the UK, so Napoleon and de Gaulle can finally have the last laugh. You can see this if you monitor Macron's reactions to the Brexit. France wants the UK to leave as fast as possible. Germany wants the UK to stay as long as possible, so they don't get screwed and have to pay for the whole project all by themselves. The US, Russia and China want the EU to blow up in a gigantic explosion, because they don't need another big global player who is armed with nuclear weapons.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the real story behind it. What you see on TV or read in the newpapers about it is just the usual bs to cover it up.

P.S.: You can look up the stuff about Kennedy in the archives of the foreign office. The documents of the current administration will be available in 2069

That's all very well but Brexiters should note that it's not a reason on its own to be pro-Brexit. Even the Americans come up with good ideas occasionally.

Of course, but the discussion should be based on interests. It's in the interest of France that Britain leaves. It's in the interest of Germany that Britain stays. It's in the interest of the USA, Russia and China that the EU breaks up, because they rather want customers than global competiton. What is in the interest of the british people? Believe in the strengths of the EU and stay or leave and find a way to exploit the weaknesses? Somehow it feels like it's 1941 again, but this time nobody knows how it's going to play out in the end.

Interesting article in the Guardian looking at how countries view the benefits of immigration

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...P=share_btn_tw

...and you believe this, right?

In most western european countries people with recent migration background already make up for about 20-25% of the overall citizens. Whenever you see such a study, it is no wonder that 20-25% believe that migration is +EV (for them). If you do the same study again in 100 years, 80% will tell you that migration is awesome.

Such studies are completely idiotic, because they contain an obvious bias. In order to get the real picture for Britain you have to ask those who allowed migration. You have to ask the kind of people that you know from the old Monty Python movies, what they think about migration. Unfortunately you can't do that, because it would be racist.

The current situation for Europe is similar to North-America when the first white people showed up. If I remember correctly then it didn't go that well for the Indians. Nevertheless North-America is a huge success story, but it is the success of "other" people.

Why should we, the postmodern Indians, care about the interests of "other" people? What happended to the concept of national defense? What happend to our armies? Wasn't the original plan to defend our own interests against the interests of others? When did it change? What did I miss? In which election did I forget to vote? WTF is happening? Are we getting screwed by someone?

I just noticed a huge flaw in my argumentation. I based my pessimism about the future on the experience of the past, but nobody knows the future. Maybe this time history will not repeat and we will all live together peacefully in a land of milk and honey. It's one of the rare cases where I would really love to be wrong.

So, are we up for a discussion on the Local Election results given they're kinda Brexit related

The point that you're completely missing is the results relative to other nations within the EU, not the UK results in isolation.

Also, people still use the term Indian instead of Native American these days?

Well... erm... the Conservatives have lost votes catastrophically, and Labour have lost votes rather seriously (putting in the worst performance ever by any party after that long in opposition), and UKIP have lost votes as well, and the major gainers are the Liberal Democrats and the Greens, which are both strongly Remain parties. (And recall that this round of local elections doesn't even include London, which is Remain Central and has a population considerably larger than Scotland's.)

And yet the terrible twins, Corbyn and May, have both said that the message from the voters is, 'Just get on with it and deliver Brexit.'

If you had not noticed until now that both main party leaders are simply lying to you and are bent on an anti-democratic power grab... well, now you have.

There's been a leak in the US to the effect that May received an intelligence briefing shortly after taking office which told her that the referendum had been compromised by Russian interference and couldn't be valid, but she overrode this. (She and her party do rely to some extent on Russian money.) We already know, because it came out in the House, that May then ordered MI5 to stop investigating Arron Banks's known Russian links.

It's not impossible that May could end up in jail eventually. So she's pretty desperate. And Corbyn's office is run by Seumas Milne, who is an avowed courtier of Vladimir Putin. (You will all know about that dumb softball interview that Milne flew over to conduct with Putin.)

'Normal times' went out the window quite some way back.

shame Brexit party didn't run in locals (which I realise wouldn't make sense...), then the message would have been bleeding obvious to even the most thickheaded remainers. Not that they would get it.

Ah well, EU elections will demonstrate that. Not long to wait.

In Britain it's less than 10%. And Britain isn't all that sharply out of phase with the Continent. What you are saying is not only untrue, but quite ludicrously impossible.

The Brexit Party, which has no members and consists solely of Nigel Farage and a suspicious amount of unaccounted-for dark money, was not created in time to register for these elections.