The Hunt was hysterically funny, strong recommend for all you guys.

you cannot say guys anymore, trolly.

be nostalgic about it and pad yourself on the back. you can ukes fault that is!

here are your alternatives:


"What is another way to say guys?

dudes.
gentlemen.
males.
fellas.
men.
lads.
fellows.
blokes.

https://www.merriam-webster.com › ...
74 Synonyms & Antonyms of GUYS | Merriam-Webster Thesaurus"


"The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com › archive
The Problem With 'Hey Guys'
23.08.2018 — Guys is an easygoing way to address a group of people, but to many, it's a symbol of exclusion—a word with an originally male meaning"

sure thing they are serious:

"Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › ...
'Guys' isn't a gendered word anymore. It's fine to use with ...
07.07.2021 — The use of “guys” as gender-neutral is as much about privileging the masculine as it is about the age-old pastime of denigrating the"

I think this is the heart of the issue. Guy always referred to a group of males. Girls or gals referred to a group of females. But as workplaces started having mixed groups of workers, there was no obvious word for a group of both "guys and gals". So guys has been used as a default, with a sort of hand wave that now it means both men and women.

But it really didn't lose its male overtones. Females were just sort of told to live with it. But a look at the reverse usage gives a sense of how awkward it actually is. Imagine you are a male nurse, or elementary school teacher or in any traditionally female dominated profession. You are in a group workplace meeting with the boss, who comes and says "Hi girls. I just want to say that all you gals did a great job on the project last week". Most men would be like WTF, I'm no girl. After the meeting you mention to the boss that since you're not a girl or gal it seemed inappropriate to call you that. And she said, " don't worry about it. The terms girls and gals include people of both genders.

No "guy" would buy that. You can also look at the more formal terms used for mixed groups. We say "good evening ladies and gentlemen...". Or we might use a generic term like good evening everyone. But we don't say good evening gentlemen and then tell the ladies that when addressing a mixed group, gentlemen means both sexes, because we only want to use one word.

The reason guy became the stand in for a generic term is that in most workplaces it was a few women becoming part of a largely male group, so the males basically just kept using the male only word references. But I think it would be better if a generic term for a mixed group came into usage. Can we all agree on this, gals?

Really? This is a thing that happened to you in real life?

So are you suggesting that since all these words are another way to say guys, that it would be fine to address a group of both men and women as fellas, blokes, lads, etc? Since you state that these are substitutes for guys, and you see no problem calling a mixed group of people guys, then any of these words would also make sense for a mixed group? Would you really make the case to the women in the group that blokes or lads or fellas actually means men and women?

Browser did you remove my agreement reply to this post or did I just forget to submit it?

My ex used to call her best friend (a female) "dude" which I always thought was interesting.

"Guys" is also sometimes used in all-female contexts though.

no, I was googling for alternatives for "guys" and there are no alternatives. that's what Google gave me. they pointed me to Merriam Webster there I think and gave me a bunch of alternatives to call a group of males. which is not what I was looking for and is unlerlining the problem I think. there are no alternatives.

what do brits say? lads? do they use it for girls and guys? I think only men.

luckboxs " you all" is all there is I think. which illustrates the problem at best. there might not be any alternative.

If you want to avoid a gendered word, then "you all" is an alternative that is currently in use -- not sure how that's problematic.

What you looked up were synonyms for "guys," which just got you a list of other male-gendered words.

If you're greeting people then "hi all/hello everyone" suffices.

It's when you actually need a pronoun that it gets trickier.

yea, i know. I'm not gonna give up saying guys to everyone and all sexes. no way they make me not use it. I'm not going to tolerate that bs anymore. i mean enough is enough, right? lol

You have friends who are a couple who live out of town, you want to invite them to come visit but you're just talking to one of them 'you guys should come see me" vs "you all should come see me"...'you all" just doesn't work at all in that context.

While there have clearly been movements against "you guys" for quite some time, this isn't any large, prominent movement. You can safely continue with "you guys" without fear.

I deleted it. You started off fine but then moved into attacking other posters by name. You can make your points fine without including the gratuitous critiques of other posters. Please watch out for those in the future.
Thanks.

To a couple I'd say "you two" or "you should both" if I were avoiding "you guys." I rarely avoid "you guys," though.

I don't think you all will ever catch on because it will become y'all which bears such a southern stereotype that it would never fly in many other regions.

What is the best example of this in your mind? Because I think most BLM supporters genuinely think black lives do in fact matter and not a tactic in some game that "takes some time to comprehend".

There are extremely, extremely few situations where you'll get into any real trouble saying "you guys," and there are extremely easy ways to navigate those situations.

try a feminist protest, you get stoned.

ah idk. I think you know as well as I do, that strictly speaking, it is wrong to say it. which doesn't mean we have to follow "right" I guess.

I don't think that at all.

Agreed. It's not like an actual life threatening situation like you would face if you had the nerve to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas to someone manning the front lines on the War on Christmas.

yes I heard that too from people. i mean from friends or something, girl to girl calling each other dude. that was pretty standard.

cat von dee called all females dude. because that was/is the the cool thing to to.

it is appointed to males. can't get around that imo.

guy is. guy richie.. ive never seen a female with that name.

feminsts will rip your head off and that for a good reason. it's a male idk. pronoun?