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07-09-2023 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Caitlin Johnstone is a leftwing conspiracy theorist and an Australian, so when she calls herself a progressive don't confuse her with the typical sort of American progressive. She eschews those people for the most part. But she definitely is a leftist. She can be aggravating at times but for the most part she's one of the most correct people out in the public sphere commentating on political issues.
Basically she tells you things you want to believe in, thus she is one of the most correct people out there. What a unique pattern! Good for her being able to monetize passive consumers as she does, so be sure to buy her books and subscribe to all her social medial platforms and consume her content. She earned it. By the way, how many Avril Lavignes does she think exists?

All the best.
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07-09-2023 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Basically she tells you things you want to believe in, thus she is one of the most correct people out there. What a unique pattern! Good for her being able to monetize passive consumers as she does, be sure to buy her books and subscribe to all her social medial platforms. She earned it. By the way, how many Avril Lavignes does she think exists?

All the best.
She's one of the most correct people because she's one of the most correct people. If she were a giant troll who never adds anything of substance you'd probably like her though.
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07-09-2023 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
Do you think she could point to any actual results in the real world that her particular brand of progressivism makes things better? I mean, finding faults in any social/political system is the easy part. The hard part is coming up with something better. I am not saying don't try. But if your efforts are predictably creating dystopias like The Tenderloin or Southside of Chicago, maybe it is time for some re-evaluation.
She's not that kind of progressive. She's an anti-war progressive who is more focused on anti-imperialism than domestic issues. They haven't had too much success either though.
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07-09-2023 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
She's one of the most correct people because she's one of the most correct people.
Nah. She just says nonsense you want to believe in, nothing more. It is not like you vouching for someone gives them credibility - quite the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
If she were a giant troll who never adds anything of substance you'd probably like her though.
Only if she used that to monetize passive consumers like you, and there is likely enough humans like you out there that she can make a living monetizing that target market. Otherwise I would regard it as someone having a bit of fun with the same target market as a harmless fun hobby and nothing more. Note, I am sure many have tried monetizing conspiracy addicts with a fake online personality and content that did not adhere to their beliefs, but one quality conspiracy addicts do have is they can smell out the fakes that try that. Perhaps that is why conspiracy addicts are invulnerable to the unlimited powered shadow figures who's conspiracies they unravel without proof!

I noticed that you did not say how many Avril Lavignes she says exists. If she is one of the most correct person on the planet then she would have to believe that multiples exist - yes or no?

All the best.
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07-09-2023 , 10:07 AM
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Do these people have any idea just how pervasively indoctrinated consumers of mainstream media are? Do they have any idea how big an ideological gap there is between anti-war socialism and the neoliberal neoconservative omnicidal death cult known as centrism? Do they truly expect that massive gap to be bridged, that ingrained-since-birth propaganda brain box shattered, by polite yet compelling arguments?
would love to see how Monteroy considers this nonsense. its basically straight from Gramsci.
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07-09-2023 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
would love to see how Monteroy considers this nonsense. its basically straight from Gramsci.
Monterey isn't here to consider things.
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07-09-2023 , 10:12 AM
most people arent.

altho, in his case it is funny bc he loves talk about "passive consumers".
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07-09-2023 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Monterey isn't here to consider things.
Of course I consider things. I consider the value of the people who post information here. Your posts have no value (other than entertainment at times) as does the person I have on ignore who I assume is latching onto you (though unlike you he has no actual sense of humor). That is why aside from parallel playing with each other - both of you have never had anyone actually compliment your ideas and concepts here in hundreds of thousands of posts between you and others like you.

In contrast, the person (Bluegrass) spending way too much time debating the details of the Russian war with a meaningless opponent is providing a lot of well thought out research from non-derpy sources and it is clear he knows what he is talking about. Same with some of the real lawyers here when they dismiss various derps and their as seen on TV approaches and ideas with how the legal system works. I get that people like you dismiss that type of approach, because you do not use it, but that is part of why your content has no real value, other than entertainment at times, while others here has value. Now, why they spend time trying to debate and discuss issues with people like you in a serious manner - that I cannot answer.

I also consider the sources people provide, and when I see they are nearly always standard low following biased derp/manipulated material - well, there you go. Hope that helped, though I know nothing will ever change the outlook someone like you has on things. Way too baked in by now, hence the more you discuss important issues like multiple Avril Lavignes and UFOs the better.

All the best.
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07-09-2023 , 10:32 AM
see what I mean about centrists? or really what Caitlin means.
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07-09-2023 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
I am not familiar with this person or their band of progressivism, but if you want to make a compelling case for modern progressivism, can you at least show me some actual progress. Can you make the crime rate lower? Can you decrease homelessness? Can you make race relations better? Can you actually improve mental health? Can you make the world less beholden to fossil fuels, instead of more beholden? etc. etc. etc. My main gripe with modern progressivism is that it however it is supposed to work in theory, in practice it invariably sucks and makes everything worse.

Is this progress? Everyone has mental health issues? If that is progress I'll stick to centrism, thank you very much.
This is your typical dishonest presentation.

Pew never published this chart. This is an extrapolation of Pew data prepared by a poli sci grad student at Georgia State named Zach Goldberg who defines himself as a "Wokeness Studies" scholar.

I have no idea whether he did the extrapolation correctly, but even if he did, his chart doesn't account for potential differences in access to mental health care, potential differences in willingness to disclose a mental health condition on a survey, and most importantly, potential difference in willingness to seek treatment for a mental health condition.

I expect that the last factor would have a very, very significant effect on the data.
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07-09-2023 , 10:34 AM
I expect none of that will have any effect on those that want to believe in the messaging that chart provides them.
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07-09-2023 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I expect none of that will have any effect on those that want to believe in the messaging that chart provides them.
Monty,

I don't know if these sorts of posts are directed at me, but I have no expectation of changing the minds of people who pass around those sorts of charts, just as I'm sure you have no expectation of changing minds when you tell people they are being monetized.
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07-09-2023 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Monty,

I don't know if these sorts of posts are directed at me, but I have no expectation of changing the minds of people who pass around those sorts of charts, just as I'm sure you have no expectation of changing minds when you tell people they are being monetized.
It seems pretty reasonable that people who identity as liberals would be diagnosed with mental conditions more. It doesn't mean they're crazier than conservatives as you point out but I'm not sure what the issue is with the chart exactly.
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07-09-2023 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
It seems pretty reasonable that people who identity as liberals would be diagnosed with mental conditions more. It doesn't mean they're crazier than conservatives as you point out but I'm not sure what the issue is with the chart exactly.
Just like the guy who created the chart, Kelhus is promoting the chart for the proposition that progressives have more mental health issues as a matter of fact.
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07-09-2023 , 11:26 AM
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Not really your greatest post.
LB,

No offense, but it's clear that we will never have a meeting of the minds on this sort of issue. You think that a Brazilian youtuber who promotes videos about flat earth, the rising trend of satanism among elites, aliens ushering in a New World Order, and Angelina Jolie revealing Illuminati rituals is inherently more reliable than the Washington Post. I obviously have a different view.
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07-09-2023 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
LB,

No offense, but it's clear that we will never have a meeting of the minds on this sort of issue. You think that a Brazilian youtuber who promotes videos about flat earth, the rising trend of satanism among elites, aliens ushering in a New World Order, and Angelina Jolie revealing Illuminati rituals is inherently more reliable than the Washington Post. I obviously have a different view.
She has a PhD studying propaganda, whereas the Washington Post is the propaganda... Obviously I'm going to trust her more.
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07-09-2023 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Obviously I'm going to trust her more.
Obvious point is obvious.
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07-09-2023 , 11:33 AM
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Obvious point is obvious.
I mean on one hand you have someone with a PhD studying propaganda and on the other hand you have a newspaper closely aligned with your CIA.

It's not really too hard.
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07-09-2023 , 11:41 AM
Back On Topic please
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07-09-2023 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I mean on one hand you have someone with a PhD studying propaganda and on the other hand you have a newspaper closely aligned with your CIA.

It's not really too hard.
The content speaks for itself. Be careful not to fall off the edge of the earth.
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07-09-2023 , 11:43 AM
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The content speaks for itself. Be careful not to fall off the edge of the earth.
I'm near the equator so I'll probably be ok.
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07-09-2023 , 11:46 AM
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Race and gender aren't real.

Paraguay however is an actual place you can visit.
he wasn’t saying the place doesn’t exist, but the concept of the country isn’t fixed. It’s a stupid Phil 101 C- essay type of point, but no less silly than your race and gender aren’t real takes.
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07-09-2023 , 11:49 AM
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he wasn’t saying the place doesn’t exist, but the concept of the country isn’t fixed. It’s a stupid Phil 101 C- essay type of point, but no less silly than your race and gender aren’t real takes.
Nations certainly have more of a concrete reality than race and gender. Race is pseudoscience and gender is at best an abstract mental concept but also mostly just pseudoscience. Countries meanwhile are actual places with defined borders and can be traveled to and visited.
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07-09-2023 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Back On Topic please
There is a topic?
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07-09-2023 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm near the equator so I'll probably be ok.
Not necessarily. Depending on how the disc is aligned, you either are standing on the edge already, or you will hit the edge eventually if you follow the equator.

So please be careful.
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