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03-19-2024 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
That if nigerian americans have much better incomes than american descendants of slaves, what you certainly cannot claim is that present racism is what is causing black american descendents of slaves to have lower income. You can rule it out as CERTAINLY not the cause.
You can't fully rule it out. It's possible Africans are treated better-- we've already established that they are nicer.
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03-19-2024 , 10:59 AM
He said they have better outcomes.
Of course they have.
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03-19-2024 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
That if nigerian americans have much better incomes than american descendants of slaves, what you certainly cannot claim is that present racism is what is causing black american descendents of slaves to have lower income. You can rule it out as CERTAINLY not the cause.
No, thats bad logic and you dont get it.
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03-19-2024 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
"these descendants of slaves have worse outcomes therefore slavery didn't cause worse outcomes"

Man, even by the standards of race science chuds this logic this is bad.
"race science" is an oxymoron.
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03-19-2024 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
You can't fully rule it out. It's possible Africans are treated better-- we've already established that they are nicer.
How is it possible? do people ask black hires if they are descendant of slaves or not? do they ask when they ask for a loan in banks? do they ask when black people try to rent a house?

If there is racism in banking, hiring, and so on, anti-black racism, it would affect all black people the same
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03-19-2024 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
"these descendants of slaves have worse outcomes therefore slavery didn't cause worse outcomes"

Man, even by the standards of race science chuds this logic this is bad.
Can you read? therefore PRESENT RACISM doesn't cause worse outcomes.

Why do you make up words when commenting others? i literally wrote PRESENT RACISM.

So we can completly drop the claim present racism causes blacks to have worse incomes than the rest of the population.

As for PAST racism, you should read some literature about what happens when you remove actual shackles. Like what happened in south korea when they became independent.

It takes less than 2 generations to express your full potential. Slavery ended 160 years ago and institutionalized racism ended like 60 years ago.
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03-19-2024 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Can you read? therefore PRESENT RACISM doesn't cause worse outcomes.

Why do you make up words when commenting others? i literally wrote PRESENT RACISM.

So we can completly drop the claim present racism causes blacks to have worse incomes than the rest of the population.

As for PAST racism, you should read some literature about what happens when you remove actual shackles. Like what happened in south korea when they became independent.

It takes less than 2 generations to express your full potential. Slavery and institutionalized racism ended like 60 years ago.
No it did not. LOL
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03-19-2024 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
How is it possible? do people ask black hires if they are descendant of slaves or not? do they ask when they ask for a loan in banks? do they ask when black people try to rent a house?

If there is racism in banking, hiring, and so on, anti-black racism, it would affect all black people the same
It's not hard at all to tell if a black person is African. I can tell in about 2 minutes of talking to them whether they are Nigerian or Kenyan (those are about the only two options in the US unless they are Somali but that also isn't hard to tell).
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03-19-2024 , 11:17 AM
Luciom does not get IT
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03-19-2024 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
It's not hard at all to tell if a black person is African. I can tell in about 2 minutes of talking to them whether they are Nigerian or Kenyan (those are about the only two options in the US unless they are Somali but that also isn't hard to tell).
Not really for second or third generation imho
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03-19-2024 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
How is it possible? do people ask black hires if they are descendant of slaves or not? do they ask when they ask for a loan in banks? do they ask when black people try to rent a house?

If there is racism in banking, hiring, and so on, anti-black racism, it would affect all black people the same
No, not necessarily, at least not in the US. Paranoid American racism is based on the plantation mentality (the US is a nation created by slavers, for slavers, in order to perpetuate slavery, not least for fear of what 'they' might do to their former tormentors if 'they' were not 'kept down') and the principal target of paranoid American racism is always the descendants of the formerly enslaved Americans. Recent relatively prosperous and educated middle-class African immigrants don't count and are not seen as presenting the same threat.
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03-19-2024 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
You've seen a picture of Luckbox? And are you... hitting on him?
I've seen pics of him, he yes quite fetching
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03-19-2024 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
I've seen pics of him, he yes quite fetching
This one?

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03-19-2024 , 05:01 PM
I'm not proud of those days but I'm better now. Where'd you find that?
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03-19-2024 , 05:04 PM
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I'm not proud of those days but I'm better now. Where'd you find that?
Stumbled across it on facesofmeth.com.
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03-19-2024 , 05:11 PM
I'd still hit it
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03-19-2024 , 07:01 PM
That's hot
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03-19-2024 , 08:16 PM
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This one?

Confirmed mod material.
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03-19-2024 , 08:32 PM
lol
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03-24-2024 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Eh, the fewest soldiers still come from the group with the highest income.
you're ignoring that a neighborhood with an income of 87k is a actually a poor neighborhood

classic example of juking the data - only poors in the military so they break them into tiers to make it looks more egalatarian

this is what an actual breakdown looks like, you'll notice that military provided chart only looks at middle income and poors and doesn't even bother looking at enlistment rates from upper class neighborhoods because it's slim to zero and mostly just blue blooded officers following family tradition

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03-24-2024 , 09:36 PM
It's all good. The poors get the full spectrum of human experience.
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03-24-2024 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
you're ignoring that a neighborhood with an income of 87k is a actually a poor neighborhood

classic example of juking the data - only poors in the military so they break them into tiers to make it looks more egalatarian

this is what an actual breakdown looks like, you'll notice that military provided chart only looks at middle income and poors and doesn't even bother looking at enlistment rates from upper class neighborhoods because it's slim to zero and mostly just blue blooded officers following family tradition

I don't get what you're saying here. You say I'm ignoring something, but seem to agree with me.

Where are you getting the 87k is poor? Don't understand that comment at all.
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03-24-2024 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I don't get what you're saying here. You say I'm ignoring something, but seem to agree with me.

Where are you getting the 87k is poor? Don't understand that comment at all.
not poor, but for a household that's not very much money, that chart conveniently provided by the military to demonstrate it's an army of the people and not of the poors started at the bottom of society and then conveniently cut off the chart around the 70%ish chart, wholly leaving out the upper third of Americans

it's absolutely unforgivable to lump in 84k a year household who are cutting coupons and working double shifts in the same socioeconomic status as everyone else

I also would lean heavily that in general, it's the poorest people in their neighborhoods who are enlisting, so by going by neighborhoods instead of parents, they can further mislead to imply that middle class people are signing up, when it's most likely the poor people who live in middle class neighborhoods are signing up

anecdotally, I know a handful of military enlistees from growing up, the 2 from good families went to west point or regular college + rotc -> officer track and the rest were mostly kids living in broken homes, often in trailers, they just signed up primarily because to them, enlisting in the infantry was a better alternative than washing dishes at the local diner and it got them out of the trailer with the alcoholic father - I know I know, limited sample size rife with personal bias, but it tracks with the stereotype
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03-24-2024 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Schlitz mmmm
It's all good. The poors get the full spectrum of human experience.
in fairness, it is a way to let them see the world
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03-27-2024 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I'd argue that a lot of what we now consider different fields of mathematics started off as a curiosity for some mathematician, who essentially created the field by contributing what you have called a genius bunch of insights. I know for example that as recently as last century most mathematicians didn't treat fractals too seriously and looked at Mandelbrot as a bit of a clown, but they ended up becoming a central feature in what we now know as chaos theory, and the Mandelbrot set is now an iconic image in popular culture.

Incidentally, my avatar is of the Julia set, which is a fractal closely related to the Mandelbrot set. Also, Julia didn't have a nose.

See this is why I check this forum. I had no idea Julia didn’t have a nose.
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