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03-18-2024 , 06:42 PM
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You look white in your picture. But Brazilians are hot too. No wonder you get frisked at the airport.
You've seen a picture of Luckbox? And are you... hitting on him?
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03-18-2024 , 08:11 PM
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Just look it up. It's easy to find.
OK, here is what the Defense Department thinks.

https://prhome.defense.gov/portals/5...erspective.htm

TLDR: the same as me
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03-18-2024 , 08:15 PM
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OK, here is what the Defense Department thinks.

https://prhome.defense.gov/portals/5...erspective.htm

TLDR: the same as me
You should probably use data newer than the mid 90s

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/dem...cs-us-military

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03-18-2024 , 08:16 PM
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That is a good question chillrob. The answer is that those on the far right invent their own pseudo science to discriminate against groups that is harder to debunk than you may realize. The entire history of discrimination rests on pseudoscience.
For example Abraham lincoln had this to say:



The reason Abraham Lincoln said this is because at the time “race science”was so pervasive even well intentioned people could not escape it’s grasp. similar to “gender science “ today.
There were people like John Brown, who knew then that race science was wrong , just as I know the “science “ being used to victimize trans people is wrong today. But it still has to be refuted over the course of a 100 years.
I've always thought the whole thing was silly, because I don't believe it matters whether or not one race is more intelligent than others, or better at certain things than others. Even if it were somehow scientifcally proven that black people were, on average, less intelligent than white people, that would not be a good reason for restricting their rights based on race, as there is clearly huge variations in intelligence in every race, with large overlap (ie, some black people are definitely more intelligent than some white people).
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03-18-2024 , 08:31 PM
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It's hard to remember all the lines you've used when you have as many zinger as I do.
you've called me a MAGAtard and asked if I have any Trump rallies I need to attend. Any evidence for these claims??

or is that your schtick?
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03-18-2024 , 08:34 PM
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You've seen a picture of Luckbox? And are you... hitting on him?
not that there's anything wrong with that
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03-18-2024 , 08:36 PM
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you've called me a MAGAtard and asked if I have any Trump rallies I need to attend. Any evidence for these claims??

or is that your schtick?
You are asking me to prove my opinion of you? That's not how opinions work.

But pretty sure you've posted some at least MAGA adjacent stuff in the past, can't really be bothered to look.
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03-18-2024 , 08:42 PM
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But pretty sure you've posted some at least MAGA adjacent stuff in the past
Make America Ok Again.
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You've seen a picture of Luckbox? And are you... hitting on him?
There is a picture of a white person next to his name.
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03-18-2024 , 08:46 PM
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Do you know the concept of the black market, which is usually what allows communist countries to survive?

A proper abolition of property rights would include an abolition of black markets.
A black market for property? I've never heard of that and can't imagine how it would work.

If no one had property rights no one would be interested in trying to buy property, as you wouldn't own anything. It would be like my selling you a deed to the Brooklyn Bridge.

Again, I'm talking about real property, not personal possessions.
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03-18-2024 , 08:50 PM
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There is a picture of a white person next to his name.
Did you think Luckbox has his own picture in his avatar and that he is a woman?
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03-18-2024 , 09:01 PM
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Did you think Luckbox has his own picture in his avatar and that he is a woman?
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03-18-2024 , 09:07 PM
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Oh you were joking... you should have said!
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03-18-2024 , 09:17 PM
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03-18-2024 , 09:29 PM
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I've always thought the whole thing was silly, because I don't believe it matters whether or not one race is more intelligent than others, or better at certain things than others. Even if it were somehow scientifcally proven that black people were, on average, less intelligent than white people, that would not be a good reason for restricting their rights based on race, as there is clearly huge variations in intelligence in every race, with large overlap (ie, some black people are definitely more intelligent than some white people).
Man the issue is, are worse outcomed for the whole group caused by racism or not? That's the topic.

If there is even a small lower intelligence not caused by racism in a group, then average outcomes income wise will be worse for that group even at 0 racism.

The whole topic is about "why are some groups having worse outcomes, because society is bad, or because they can't do better", that's the topic.

There is no request to restrict any right by race, just the admission some groups fare worse because their talents aren't the same as other groups and in the current arrangement of society, some group talents are less useful
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03-18-2024 , 10:17 PM
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You should probably use data newer than the mid 90s

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/dem...cs-us-military
Eh, the fewest soldiers still come from the group with the highest income.
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Man the issue is, are worse outcomed for the whole group caused by racism or not? That's the topic.

If there is even a small lower intelligence not caused by racism in a group, then average outcomes income wise will be worse for that group even at 0 racism.

The whole topic is about "why are some groups having worse outcomes, because society is bad, or because they can't do better", that's the topic.

There is no request to restrict any right by race, just the admission some groups fare worse because their talents aren't the same as other groups and in the current arrangement of society, some group talents are less useful
I think it's impossible to prove what causes worse (or better) outcomes for certain groups, but IMO that is more based on cultural differences than on genetics or racism.
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03-19-2024 , 07:34 AM
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Should we open a thread on senate primaries and races or is there one to dig up and revive already?
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03-19-2024 , 08:26 AM
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Should we open a thread on senate primaries and races or is there one to dig up and revive already?
I think for now we can include any senate primary election discussions in the 2024 election thread. If need be we can break it out separately later.
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03-19-2024 , 08:37 AM
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you've called me a MAGAtard and asked if I have any Trump rallies I need to attend. Any evidence for these claims??

or is that your schtick?
Nate, I don't think anyone here knows any of your political opinions or is that your schtick?
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03-19-2024 , 10:35 AM
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Man the issue is, are worse outcomed for the whole group caused by racism or not? That's the topic.

If there is even a small lower intelligence not caused by racism in a group, then average outcomes income wise will be worse for that group even at 0 racism.

The whole topic is about "why are some groups having worse outcomes, because society is bad, or because they can't do better", that's the topic.

There is no request to restrict any right by race, just the admission some groups fare worse because their talents aren't the same as other groups and in the current arrangement of society, some group talents are less useful
Africa is still basically a colony.
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Africa is still basically a colony.
A country, or many countries owned by corporations from the West. How does this affect outcomes?? Lol a lot.
African-americans (actually african recent origins, not descendent of slaves) have betetr outcomes than blacks whose ancestors have lived in the USA for centuries.

Nigerian-americans in particular have higher incomes than the american average.

Btw i am not sure you understand we are talking groups inside the same society
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03-19-2024 , 10:51 AM
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African-americans (actually african recent origins, not descendent of slaves) have betetr outcomes than blacks whose ancestors have lived in the USA for centuries.

Nigerian-americans in particular have higher incomes than the american average.

Btw i am not sure you understand we are talking groups inside the same society
Whats is your point here?
Bc I dont get it. Of course they have.
Does that mean they are more intelligent than americans? No.

Nigerian scammers? Or corruption in Nigeria? Bc there is plenty of that in Nigeria. This country is rich a f.
Probably as much as saudi arabia. If they could free themselves of the colonial forces. But they cant.
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03-19-2024 , 10:54 AM
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Whats is your point here?
Bc I dont get it.

Nigerian scammers? Or corruption in Nigeria? Bc there is plenty of that in Nigeria. This country is rich a f.
Probably as much as saudi arabia.
That if nigerian americans have much better incomes than american descendants of slaves, what you certainly cannot claim is that present racism is what is causing black american descendents of slaves to have lower income. You can rule it out as CERTAINLY not the cause.
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03-19-2024 , 10:58 AM
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That if nigerian americans have much better incomes than american descendants of slaves, what you certainly cannot claim is that present racism is what is causing black american descendents of slaves to have lower income. You can rule it out as CERTAINLY not the cause.
"these descendants of slaves have worse outcomes therefore slavery didn't cause worse outcomes"

Man, even by the standards of race science chuds this logic this is bad.
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