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06-16-2020 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
I have no idea what idiocy you are trolling about. A 501c3 organization is a non profit entity. They are under no obligation to make their finances public. The Clinton Foundation does but it is voluntary. 501c3 orgs receive lots of IRS scrutiny. So the implication from OP that BLM is corrupt is misguided. Hope this helps.
I was trolling about the idiocy that Trump promised to release his taxes, then not only did he not do it, he went to court to prevent them getting released, and Trump supporters are like "oh, that's cool, probably nothing to see there anyway".
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06-16-2020 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
I have no idea what idiocy you are trolling about. A 501c3 organization is a non profit entity. They are under no obligation to make their finances public. The Clinton Foundation does but it is voluntary. 501c3 orgs receive lots of IRS scrutiny. So the implication from OP that BLM is corrupt is misguided. Hope this helps.
I'm not implying they are corrupt at all, if anything, I would suspect, based on the only record we have available, a lot of money is not really going to help black lives, but rather serve the organization itself, rather than it's mission.
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06-16-2020 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I'm not implying they are corrupt at all, if anything, I would suspect, based on the only record we have available, a lot of money is not really going to help black lives, but rather serve the organization itself, rather than it's mission.
But why do you care if you're not supporting it ?
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06-16-2020 , 08:53 PM
I want to know where the KKK get their money from and who donates money to them.
You know, they've been around a bit longer than BLM. How come it didn't occur to no one to ask about the KKK?
OP?

Also, do they pay taxes?
Do they have 401k's?
Are they going to get a pension?
Do they donate money themselves to certain posters on 2+2 to lobby for them?
I think these are all legitimate questions.
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06-16-2020 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
I want to know where the KKK get their money from and who donates money to them.
Are they going to get a pension?
Yes.

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06-16-2020 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Yes.

Nice. I imagine that fine gentleman must have been very fair and considerate to all his fellow African-American citizens he came in contact with during his duties.
I love happy endings.
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06-16-2020 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
But why do you care if you're not supporting it ?
This thread is not about me. #toxiccult.
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06-17-2020 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
This thread is not about me. #toxiccult.
Answers a rhetorical question as if it was directed at him personally.

Thinks others are in a cult. lulz
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06-17-2020 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I'm not implying they are corrupt at all, if anything, I would suspect, based on the only record we have available, a lot of money is not really going to help black lives, but rather serve the organization itself, rather than it's mission.
I don’t know about their money allocations. I am reasonably confident they are abiding by the IRS rules. IRS rules could be a result of corruption. How many people claim laws that govern the IRS are corrupt already? A lot imo including many on the left (tax cuts for da rich folks). So from that standpoint they might be considered corrupt by people. Their finances are lacking transparency for sure.
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06-17-2020 , 12:49 PM
So does anybody here have a clear idea of the true nature and the structure of BLM, or was this just a rhetorical question by op?

According to Wikipedia, they are a decentralized organization with 30 chapters worldwide.
That's what I initially thought. That it was various civil rights movements all over the country and that Black Lives Matter was just a rallying cry.
But on the other hand, there is a BLM website.
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06-18-2020 , 11:02 AM
There is a Black Lives Matter Foundation, started by a man whose wife's ex husband was killed by police. It is based out of Santa Clarita California

They have nothing to do with the Black Lives Matter movement or its many chapters

BLMF receives donations often confused with the BLM movement. It is not clear whether the BLMF, which has one paid employee, gives all the money back or goes through lengths to discern what money was meant to go where

The BLM movement apparently has a problem with this, as many involved know of the confusion. There is a post further up this thread that mentions $4 million donated to Black Lives Matter the Foundation, and that money was frozen by whatever entity was directing the funds (a donation platform), as there is confusion as to where the money is really meant to go. The money was apparently never sent. Not sure what has happened since, that's all I gethered from the linked article

The Foundation and the movement are two totally different things. The Foundation is basically just one guy who envisioned consistent meetings with police and officials and lawmakers in an effort to improve relations between them and the community. It never really has come to fruition as far as I can tell. It started in 2015. The movement started in 2013 and they have chapters across the country

When it comes to charities they should ALL be questioned. Some of these charities are legit and some are straight up ****ing scams. Lack of transparency should always be a red flag imo

The BLM confusion absolutely needs to be dealt with, untangled, and emphasize transparency. It's bad enough YouTube is full of conspiracy theory garbage lumping them in with Antifa or auto claiming they are funded by Soros, Rothchilds, Clintons, and agents of left wing media trying to **** you or sucker the Black community into some trap

It's all bad. That said, whether they are corrupt or not, or helping black lives or not, I would imagine that's a cost/benefit analysis if you want to be nitty about it. The movement has done a lot. I know nothing about the Foundation
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06-18-2020 , 11:17 AM
Nice work Teflon.
Definitely, where their is lack of transparency, there will be people trying to line their own pockets.
I think maybe part of the problem is that up until recently, BLM was considered some kind of domestic terrorist movement by the right. And by many still is.
Only after it's fully accepted as a legitimate organization, can transparency begin to take place.
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06-18-2020 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Only after it's fully accepted as a legitimate organization, can transparency begin to take place.
Do you really believe this? You have it backwards. No person who is good with money is going to invest in a business without due diligence. Why would you do it for a charity?
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06-18-2020 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Do you really believe this? You have it backwards. No person who is good with money is going to invest in a business without due diligence. Why would you do it for a charity?
I'm confused?
Obviously, people are already supporting/ giving money to BLM.
If they were a recognized organization, wouldn't they then be required to make financial disclosures?
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06-18-2020 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
I'm confused?
Obviously, people are already supporting/ giving money to BLM.
If they were a recognized organization, wouldn't they then be required to make financial disclosures?
No.
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06-18-2020 , 12:16 PM
https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-pr...y-requirements

I don't know. They would be required to make some disclosures according to the government website.
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06-18-2020 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-pr...y-requirements

I don't know. They would be required to make some disclosures according to the government website.
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In general, exempt organizations must make available for public inspection certain annual returns and applications for exemption, and must provide copies of such returns and applications to individuals who request them. Copies usually must be provided immediately in the case of in-person requests, and within 30 days in the case of written requests. The tax-exempt organization may charge a reasonable copying fee plus actual postage, if any. The IRS must also make this same information publicly available. Generally, it may take the IRS up to 60 days to process your request.
You are going to want more than a tax return to invest in a business. Anyone donating to a charity that are not aware of how efficient they are at spending the money, is a fool. There are tons of charities that essentially operate to fund themselves, and it's not illegal. The issue is not that BLM is corrupt, the issue is we have no idea how they are spending the money. The've been resistant to disclosing financial information, and they generate a ton of money off of an emotionally sensitive events.

I'm not the one who should be concerned about it, I'm never going to donate. I am concerned that it's possible people/victims are being exploited for cash.

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06-18-2020 , 12:36 PM
https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-pr...-organizations

So I guess this is how BLM is best described in my book.
But of course there will always be people who will consider it some kind of terrorism group.

Itshot, you're not making sense.

It's up to each individuals discretion to give money to charity or an organization that they want. Being smart about has nothing to do with anything. What are you talking about?
I'm sure there are plenty of long established charities out there that don't spend their donations like the public would expect. I've read somewhere once, many charities only appropriate about 10% of the money coming in to the causes they stand for. The rest goes to organization costs and employee pockets.
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06-18-2020 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-pr...-organizations

So I guess this is how BLM is best described in my book.
But of course there will always be people who will consider it some kind of terrorism group.

Itshot, you're not making sense.

It's up to each individuals discretion to give money to charity or an organization that they want. Being smart about has nothing to do with anything. What are you talking about?
I'm sure there are plenty of long established charities out there that don't spend their donations like the public would expect. I've read somewhere once, many charities only appropriate about 10% of the money coming in to the causes they stand for. The rest goes to organization costs and employee pockets.
The point is, it should be about being smart, if you care about the issue you are giving money for. Like, there is no way I'm giving money to a child cancer fund that only gets x percentage to actual cancer research, or cancer patients, and if they can't tell me that, I will give it to someone who will.
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06-18-2020 , 03:15 PM
BLM Managing Director did an AMA on Reddit last week. She pretty much dodged all of the questions on finances/donations. They're taking in millions and no one knows what they do with it.

It's a legit question.
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06-19-2020 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
I want to know where the KKK get their money from and who donates money to them.
You know, they've been around a bit longer than BLM. How come it didn't occur to no one to ask about the KKK?
OP?

Also, do they pay taxes?
Do they have 401k's?
Are they going to get a pension?
Do they donate money themselves to certain posters on 2+2 to lobby for them?
I think these are all legitimate questions.
How come they're not designated as a terrorist group in America considering the amount of people they've murdered and acts of terrorism they've committed? I assumed they were considered one but apparently they aren't officially?
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06-19-2020 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
How come they're not designated as a terrorist group in America considering the amount of people they've murdered and acts of terrorism they've committed? I assumed they were considered one but apparently they aren't officially?
It's tradition.

The sad thing is that I am only half-joking.
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06-19-2020 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
How come they're not designated as a terrorist group in America considering the amount of people they've murdered and acts of terrorism they've committed? I assumed they were considered one but apparently they aren't officially?
Did you read the link you provided under, or is this some kind of joke?

'A debunked conspiracy theory about Black Lives Matter, Actblue, and Democrats can be traced to far-right message boards'

This is why I threw myself into the mix in the first place. I knew that op was a disingenuous, misinformed, brainwashed right-winger trying to peddle more Fake News conspiracy theories.

Don't keep going to those dark places. You'll only come out soiled and stained.
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06-19-2020 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Did you read the link you provided under, or is this some kind of joke?

'A debunked conspiracy theory about Black Lives Matter, Actblue, and Democrats can be traced to far-right message boards'

This is why I threw myself into the mix in the first place. I knew that op was a disingenuous, misinformed, brainwashed right-winger trying to peddle more Fake News conspiracy theories.

Don't keep going to those dark places. You'll only come out soiled and stained.
I think he was talking about the KKK, based on the post to which his was a response?
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