It would be nowhere near one person per team. But that's not an argument to just let it go. When it does happen, it has an outsized effect. Not so much for an 8-year-old, but by the time we get to the 9th grade swimmer you mentioned above, it's way past the point of, "oh, just let the kids play".

No I am speculating as if a white Christian shot up a trans protest we should be considering that a hate crime as well

These are just this year. There has been lots of violence and vandalism for climate and many of the perpetrators identify as transgender

Over 140 mass shootings in the US in 2023, one (1) of the shooters happens to be transgender and so of course lozen is off to the races to smear the trans community as a whole and gin up fear.

I agree. Why do you have to bring the circus people down like that?

i like the idea that right always considers the bigot the "brave" person standing up against the minority..

I am just saying lets consider that this may be a hate crime. The problem is that if he did go into the school and shoot it up because of their beliefs than we have a hate crime. Problem is the trans community will do everything to bury that .

I am not smearing the whole trans community just the violent part of it that fails to value women's rights.

What's this post about?

the "brave young lady" swimmer that did/is continuing to do the conservative news cycle grift.

She is not a bigot just had an issue competing against a man and having that man walk around in the ladies locker room with his penis hanging out and failing to respect woman's rights and brave enough to speak out and endure the violence from the trans community

she's apparently getting paid 10-30k per event to preach hate at TpUSA. shes a grifter, she's not brave. lol

it's like saying andy ngo is a brave young man for being willing to risk getting hit with a milkshake to showcase proud boy events.. lol

Candace owens, brave young woman who risked being called mean names by the interior decorator she wanted to hire..

She has not preached any hate. The hate and violence was displayed by the protesters not her. All she wants is a fair playing field for women.

Not sure how Andy Ngo or Candace Owens come into the mix

But she's trying to argue that males can't be women. That's hatred.

even her own edited video at best you can say she "claims" she was subjected to violence, which just happens to incredibly benefit her...

they are included because they are all the same people.. paid professional agitators.

my point is that you can pay them to say whatever they say.. and good on them for getting some money..

but i thoroughly reject the idea that they are in anyway "brave".. it's hilariously stupid to consider someone showing up for 10,000 dollars to talk about how instead of finishing 6th she might have finished 5th if she was allowed to exclude someone she doesn't like as "brave"..

Only at Olympic ?
Isn’t there scholarship for many student and elite sport program starting as soon as high school ( far from Olympic level ) ?
Doesn’t mean u don’t reach the Olympic u wouldn’t get screwed prior , for the chance to have an education the way u should have in a fair environment.

And to be clear the development of sports talent isn’t linear .
Some pop early others pop later .
It just inconceivable to me u don’t see the clear link between unfair sportsmanship in this instance that yes , it can start as early as high school ?
Are u rejecting the concept of some people because they don’t reach the Olympic don’t deserve to have scholarship for example because they were good enough to beat normal competition but not good enough to beat trans ?

Why? There's zero evidence of this, are you just looking for excuses to smear the trans community or what?

Lia Thomas won an NCAA division 1 championship. Even to swim on an NCAA team is a fraction of a percent. To win a division 1 championship is 1 in a million. Anyone that tries to claim you are wrong and this is not elite is completely disingenuous.

Yeah, we already went through this in the Gun Control thread, and you picked up little to no support for that idea, because...there is as of yet no evidence it was a hate crime. Why you think it needs to be brought up again with no new evidence, I have no idea. You could instead spend that time responding to questions rather than ignoring them. And LOL @ you saying that "we will not know till the manifesto is released if it is ever released with the pressure from the trans community not to and there are other examples of it." and "trans community will do everything to bury that", when in the Gun Control thread you felt so strongly about not releasing info about shooters that you posted a Bill Maher video supporting that. So...no one should talk about the shooter, but when no one talks about the shooter they're hiding something, and this is more likely a hate crime. JFC.

Holy **** man, what is going on with you lately? Have you had some kind of bad personal experience(s) with transgender people recently, because you really seem to be stepping up the questionable posts. There were lots of people who were young, and white, and brown, and black, and men, and women. What is your point here?

And why this need to be banging on against transgender violence as if that's the biggest issue we should be worrying about in this thread?

Apparently there is an unreleased manifesto. Not that the existence of a manifesto would make it an hate crime-- c.f. the unibomber-- but it would help shed some light there.

I think someone who disagreed with me would be suggesting not that NCAA isn't elite - it surely is - but that even at such elite levels the values of inclusion and having trans role models for trans youth to aspire to dominates the importance of rank-ordering people.

Simple guidelines should be D3 and JUCO, trans allowed
D2, some trans.
D1 no trans.

Where exactly is this "violent part of the trans community"? You've so far had one prominent fox news example of a grainy video that shows nobody hitting anybody at a protest. That's it.

Although on the very shallow surface it may seem like the Biden ruling is a "compromise," in reality this is not how it is intended to work IMO. I think the left is anticipating that In the real world many/most schools are not going to want to go through all the costs, including extensive litigation by left wing activist groups and violent and intimidating protesting directed at school committees, associated with petitioning to exclude biological males from female sports. So they will just take the path of least resistant and keep the de facto, which will be biological males participating in female sports.

You could very easily tell me Biden himself doesn't know this is the plan, but IMO whoever actually drafted the bill, this is exactly what they intended.

However, I dont know if this is how it is going to work. At some point the silent majority may (or may not) take a stand and exert the power of the real mob to over-rule the noisy minority of trans extreme activists. IMO the vast majority of Americans, including many who are sympathetic to the trans community, don't want biological males playing competitive sports with their daughters, and this may be where the silent majority wakes up from its induced slumber and exerts its will.

Ya Kelhus I know you might like to paint the only people who might support trans inclusion in youth sport, but if you actually ask the youth it isn't just "trans extreme activists" who think this:

How in the world did you come up with that?