This is a funny way of saying "sorry for completely misrepresenting your views".

I see. So do we need to let those grade 3s who are just happy to get out on a soccer field and run around chasing the ball know that they aren't actually playing a sport? I guess that way we don't have to worry about a state government checking grade 3 genitalia, because they're not actually playing a sport.

Or you could just consider that when people talk about non-competitive sport in this context, they typically mean sports played at much lower stakes. Like elementary school kids, or recreational leagues.

I mean, I'm hoping you don't think it's important to ensure that grade 3 kids with penises aren't allowed to play with grade 3 kids that don't have penises. It seems that at that age, it's far more important to let all kids simply enjoying playing together and not worry about things like that. Inclusivity like that seems to me to be the most important thing that Biden's policy would support.

How so? I hope you understand Biden's policy in no way, shape, or form does this.

What does this have to do with the thread's topic?

Why would he lose? Are you figuring that the supreme court will be really concerned that Biden doesn't want to allow states to require schools to check for penises in grade 3 to ensure they have full control over what kids can play with one another?

Can you be clearer with your question?

What on earth does being pro-choice have to do with female safety in sports?

What part of my response leads you to believe that is what I was talking about?
Again, what are you talking about? I fail to see how "cares about abortion rights" is the opposite of "has an interest in fairness in sports". Also, I'm quite educated, thank you very much.
I'm not sure how you got to "government checking grade 3 genitalia" from my post. Maybe you have me confused with someone else. I'm also not sure how Title IX has anything to do with third graders or rec leagues.

People are pretending like this is a women’s rights issue. But women actually don’t agree and they are less likely than non women to support Desantis style cultural warrior positions on this issue. The demo that really cares is non covid liege whites, particularly white men who. Unlike abortion it’s a fake issue and explains why the gender gap in voting and party identity exists.

Please do not assign positions to me that I have not taken.

It is, quite self-evidently, a women's rights issue. If men and boys are permitted to compete in women's and girls' sports, then women's and girls' sports cease to exist.

This appears to be what psychiatrists call 'word salad'. It might be a mix-up to do with using spoken text on a phone and failing to edit the result. Or it might just be 'word salad'.

Sex checks in sport are done with a mouth swab, so 'checking genitalia' doesn't come into it anyway.

What are you talking about, then? You’re not articulating yourself well.

I didn't say it was your position.

Nope. Women don't care. Women don't really like sports. Only non-college educated white males care. That's why women's leagues exist-- it's to give them something else to watch.

Just to be clear .
When we speak about about high school grade sports and legislation on them for trans people ,
are we talking specifically for sports in gym class in school or we actually aiming at minor leagues outside of school or for school elite sports program as well ?

Because to me there is a massive distinction to make here as any « prior athlete » knows ….

Interscholastic sports sanctioned by school districts that take place between competing schools, e.g. sports that have a state governing body.

I think most legislation is mainly about sports teams (I could be wrong) but Title IX applies to all aspects of education.

Well if it is aiming at elite sports or anything outside normal gym class it’s a terrible idea .
Mind as well legalize steroid uses if we permit a male to compete vs female ….

Clearly it isnt t because a guy loses his penis that he loses all the other physical advantages his male genetic gave him , like bigger heart and lung , which obviously help in sport performance for example ….

Ffs , ask any male athlete that were born 1 day or 2 before age limit of changing age group in a sport , how incredibly disadvantages he has from going to the oldest competitors to the youngest in his sports .
And that is only male vs male , can’t imagine the effect it would do male vs female ….
It’s ridiculous .

And there is some obvious security implication in contact sport obviously too .
A female going to a male competition ok , who cares , trans or not . It’s on her ….
But the opposite is absolutely ****** for anyone that did state or national competition, even cities in some respect (like school élit programs shouldn’t be allowed either )…..

Now gym class in school ?
Yeah who cares, that ain’t really sports anyway so I don’t see any problems there .

Ps: I hope those that think it is fine outside just gym class don’t really think Serena Williams for example his close to federer in competition ….
She wouldn’t even be top 500 and we speaking about the probably goat female .

Man thinking about it , I would have laugh my ass off if I would compete against female in my youth in high school and college …

Ok, I went back and reread the exchange and it appears your use of "creepy non college educated white males" was something in your internal formula how you extrapolated that women don't care about women's sports and therefore must be "much much much less concerned about women's sports" than they are "for reproductive rights". So for the answer to original question of mine I'll just go with it's just your impression. But I agree you didn't assign any views to me in particular.

I'll go over it so it is simple for you to follow along.
Here's the first post that started the back and forth-
To which I replied -
Notice I didn't say anything about rating women's sports against abortion rights in an either or situation. Just that I thought that ecriture d'adulte's assertion that women were "much much much less concerned" might not be based in actual polling. And then you came in with-
Which was obviously (to me) not what I was talking about.


Now I guess you'll come back with something like I could have been more specific. To which I would say maybe you should read more carefully. And perhaps it would go back and forth a bit before it died out. But let's just leave it here since I just took care of that.

It's a reference to the kind of bills that are being passed, that would not be permitted under this policy.

I'm not sure how it doesn't, but maybe I don't understand it correctly. From Wiki:

"It prohibits sex-based discrimination in any school or any other education program that receives funding from the federal government."

Is this not correct?

Yes, I figured you were trying to make some point to the larger audience that was unrelated to my point.
Well, you mentioned rec leagues and elementary school kids. Rec leagues have nothing to do with schools and as far as I know all elementary gym classes are co-ed. I also don't know of school affiliated sports teams at the elementary level. I've been out of touch for a while and it might have changed, but I doubt it.


So we're left with, what exactly is a non-competitive sport? And also the question that I asked earlier haven't had a response yet - why do sports have different classifications?

We had co-ed interscholastic volleyball when I was in elementary school. There were also track and field events.

I've never heard gym classes mentioned as an issue because, as you say, they're typically going to be co-ed. School sports teams is what I had in mind.

As I mentioned, lower stakes sports. Whether that should be classified as "non-competitive" or not isn't important to the point that state governments making sweeping bans against allowing any transgender kids to play for the "wrong gender" are catching up all kinds of kids and sports for whom it does no good, only harm. And it's completely unnecessary if the goal is simply to deal with the examples people keep bringing up in this thread of adults and college students.

While I think that the decisions on this should be up to the relevant school/sports officials, any necessary experts, and the competitors themselves, in principle I'm fine with the idea that we need some sort of regulation for this issue in high level competitive sports, but there's also a point where it's completely unnecessary. There will be disagreement as to where this level should be; I'd think that maybe at the senior grades in high school, but I could see arguments being made for a couple of years in either direction. However, I'd hope it would be clear to all that we certainly don't need such rules for kindergarten or grade 1 students, which is what some of these bans include. Just another reason why state governments shouldn't even be getting involved in this issue in the first place.

Didace, I might be getting well outside of where you were going with this; I'm not attempting to ascribe any particular position to you.

It absolutely is. Competition is a key element of sport. If you don't have competition, it isn't sport.

Great. How is that important to the point "that state governments making sweeping bans against allowing any transgender kids to play for the "wrong gender" are catching up all kinds of kids and sports for whom it does no good, only harm."?

Yes we all did .
Puberty hasn’t kicked in yet .

As long it stay around gym class level it’s pretty much unimportant .
All u have to do have the grade to pass the gym class ….

It's important to the point that you can't just redefine "sport" and "female" so they are a better fit for the narrative.

What "narrative" do you imagine Bobo is pushing here? Be specific.