Obviously the correct answer is that any country which has conscription should have it for all genders. There's no reason for sexual discrimination here, especially if your country is under attack.

I think war changes these kinds of things but I would think the underlying principle would be birthing people. This might not be the policy in effect but if you were going to make such a distinction you would think the state would be interested in baby carriers.

I'm very confused how society go into this ******ed debate. Why in the world wouldn't females play in the female leagues and males not play in the male leagues. Why should a woman who is a male play in the leagues meant for females?

Why does such distinction exist? It wasn't based on the concept of gender. It was to give females, a chance to participate since they have an inherent disadvantage physically and this disadvantage is specifically meant to be tested by most sports.

What is the argument that lia thomas should be eligible to swim in the woman's competition that doesn't also apply to a transgender man? Why shouldn't lia compete in the men's division considering she is quite obviously a man?

Chill rob
Idk I think men make way better soldiers.
If a woman voluntarily goes into the military for a combat role she usually has a similar mind set to those men and is likely in great physical shape. Outliers for sure.

Throwing in random college age girls to the equation seems bad for many reasons.

J Idk why u responded to me. The first paragraph w.e but the rest of the stuff ur wondering about has been discussed to death already.

Women have been allowed in combat roles for 10 years by the US military, and there are many necessary jobs in a country's armed forces apart from combat roles.

Of course the average man would be a better soldier than the average woman, but that doesn't really matter - each additional woman in the military should make it stronger (just not as much stronger as if she were a man). Israel has had conscription of women for a long time, and it's tough to imagine a military that has performed any better than theirs.

Ok so seems like isreal conscripts women for ‘combat support’ positions. They are not sending them to the front line. Which is a lot more reasonable.

Are you saying they should be sent to the front line?

If not u would still need to have a policy for conscripting trans people in the military.

What a very strange derail.

Not sure it can classify as a derail since the thread was dead. Pretty sure there has to be active discussion for a derail to occur.

whats his policy on non-trans draft dodgers? its proly the same. Id imagine they just find them and ship them to the front.

I didn’t think it deserved it own thread and seemed to fit here.

I don’t think it’s so strange. If there ever is conscription in US again or some other progressive country it will be a big issue.


Idr ur position on trans sports but it seems like all the activists don’t wanna touch this question with a ten foot pole.

I don't know who should be sent to the front line, I don't have any military experience. Seems like someone in charge would decide that on an individual basis. Not all men get sent to the front line in any war - some are needed in other positions and have skills that are better suited for those positions.
Probably most women or trans people would not be sent to the front line, but a few may be.

Idk personally I don’t think any woman should be forced to fight on the front lines, even if they happen to be in good physical shape. Maybe that is misogynistic somehow. Lol

Not great for a man to be sent either but such is life.

First clear answer atleast, appreciate that.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uel-twist.html

So the in Canada a trans woman won a powerlifting meet, breaking a bunch of "women's" records. I assume if you search hard enough, the leftist MSM will probably mention this. However, what they wont tell you is that only 2 other women even joined the competition. All the other women that would have, decided not to out of protest.

This is similar to a story of a British cycling league that made the "right wing" media rounds awhile ago when trans women were banned from competing, but only because all the biological women refused to participate otherwise.

Ultimately, I think this is how this debate gets settled. Biological women will say enough is enough, stop participating in sports against trans women, and the authorities will begrudgingly have to act, if nothing else than to save face.

Well, your article says that only two people dropped out, so presumably it was a pretty tiny field at that level. And the article doesn't say why they dropped out.

It also says the author herself dropped out of a completion to avoid facing off against the same competitor and she knows more people who didn’t show up or cut weight to avoid the inevitable beat down.

They should just allow the females to take steroids.

There are already tested and non tested meets. The tested mens records are significantly higher than the non-tested women's records.

Also they should give the females a head start.

No, of course that's not what I'm advocating. If this discussion is just going to be a game where you take what I say and find the most extreme way to interpret it while adding things in that aren't related to my point or what I said, this isn't going to last for long. I think this may be a waste of time, but I'll assume you're not trolling and answer sincerely.

When kids are young, let them play on whatever team they want. Who gives a ****? What is the harm being done? If Timmy now identifies as Jane and wants to play on the girls' team, why would we want to stop her from doing so? But there's probably not a lot of point going further in this without clearing one thing up - if your mindset is that this whole thing is ****ed up and Jane shouldn't be allowed/encouraged to even identify as a girl in the first place, then we'll probably have to agree to disagree on that and leave it there.

As to your "Sorry about those hormones we gave you and the bottom surgery.", I'm not sure how you think that even fits in here. If someone has surgically and hormonally changed their sex, I can't see why they wouldn't be permitted to play on the team that matched that sex, at any level.

How are you defining young? At what age should any child be able to play on either the boys or girls team

It depends how you answer the above. If you are talking about letting any kid play in a boys or girls league until 8th grade (or later) the answer is because we are extremely likely to see more kids get hurt which should be reason enough to shut it down.

When we are talking about the college or professional level are you saying 1) there are no differences between men and women in sports, 2) there is a difference between men and women in sports but bottom surgery and hormones make men and women perfectly even on the playing field or 3) men and women are different in sports but who cares women sports are boring anyways and this is the perfect excuse to get rid of them?

I'll take 4, none of these above.

I'm definitely in camp number 3!

The bigots like Meisner and Rickroll can't get beyond arguing that sex should be an absolute dividing line in sports classification. As the transgender community is questioning the validity of the binary aspects of gender, it is not surprising to me that they would also question the rigidity of this dividing line in sports.

Imo, sex, age and weight are the three general pillars used to separate athletes and create fairness and parity across sports in general. Every so often we see athletes that cause us to question the age category (LeBron, Ewing and Olympic divers) but that is usually by athletes punch up.

So I have no problem questioning whether the sex classification should instead be a gender classification. Where I think the gender dividing line argument will always fail regarding women's sport is that it will always be punching down, not up.

If you don't care, then why do you need to get rid of sports? Just, like.. stop caring and go about your life.

I was asking bobofett that question. I don't think any of those 3 are true.

I enjoy women's sports. I go to a couple women's college bball & vball games a year, I've watched a **** load of women's soccer games. I am also obsessed with the Olympics - during the month+ the Olympics are on TV it is almost the only thing I will watch and I don't care what event or sex is on.

I enjoy seeing younger family members compete at sports, but my favorite across boys/girls at all ages group is girls 7th/8th flag football - it is intense.

Why do you think at the college and processional level it is fair for people who were born male but take part in a "transition" to start playing against women? Or do you agree that it isn't fair to woman to do this but you are ok with it because you exclusively care about transwomen?