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Nobody is saying it's okay to ban trans people under any circumstances. What reasonable people are saying is that in elite level competitions everyone should compete in the category of their biological sex, regardless of gender identity.

Blanket rules covering kindergarten and rec leagues and such are obviously stupid and unnecessary.

Well, a lot of the GOP bans are totally categorical so it isn’t nobody and overturning those bans is a good thing. That said, there is a lot of space in between “elite level competition” and “kindergarten” which is where the real debate is in my view.

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04-08-2023 , 11:03 AM

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Nobody is saying it's okay to ban trans people under any circumstances.

Yes, there are people such as lawmakers doing precisely this, which is the problem Biden appears to be trying to address.

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This.

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04-08-2023 , 11:45 AM

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Im not sure how the Biden administration is defining it, but if it is as broad as you suggest here (or left undefined so states can define it) then the door is open to ban almost all trans inclusion in sport.

How could it possibly be defined any other way? Without competition it isn't sport, it's an activity.

Also, for all - What is the reason that there are different classifications in sports? Competitions are divided by age, by weight, and yes, by boy/girl and men/women. Why is that?

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04-08-2023 , 11:58 AM

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Also, for all - What is the reason that there are different classifications in sports? Competitions are divided by age, by weight, and yes, by boy/girl and men/women. Why is that?

Wokeness?

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04-08-2023 , 01:03 PM

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I can confirm that lozen’s quote less claims about my position aren’t even caricatures of them, they are just pure fabrications

Well you seem to me the trans right warrior please correct me were I am wrong

Is there an age limit that you think there should be for anyone to have gender surgery.

Do you think Lia Thomas should be allowed to compete against cis woman

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04-08-2023 , 01:04 PM

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Let's be clear you have one party that supports removing a women's right for an abortion and a year later the party that shouts for women's right denies women the right to compete fairly in sports

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04-08-2023 , 01:19 PM

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Wokeness?

It's both for fairness and to make the competitions more enjoyable/marketable.

If males were allowed to compete in the women's divisions people would be a lot less likely to tune in.

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04-08-2023 , 01:20 PM

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I am once again begging people to remember that the plural of “woman” is “women.”

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04-08-2023 , 01:30 PM

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Let's be clear you have one party that supports removing a women's right for an abortion and a year later the party that shouts for women's right denies women the right to compete fairly in sports

Have you ever thought about just asking women and finding out if there is a consensus view? Turns out they are heavily for reproductive rights and much much much less concerned about women's sports than creepy non college educated white males.

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No kidding more women want abortions than compete at a high level.
No need to call me names
I have a good friend that is a competitive masters weightlifter and I'd hate to see her get screwed over by a man than wants to compete as a women .

I bet that a majority of women that support or are against abortion don't think men should compete against women

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One handy trick is that it follows the same rule as “man.”

So if you can remember “man” —> “men” then “woman” —> “women”

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No need to call me names

It's never not important to point out that all of the smartest people mainline their thoughts directly from WaPO and have advanced degrees.

Otherwise how will they be able to feel good about themselves?

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04-08-2023 , 02:57 PM

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Let's be clear you have one party that supports removing a women's right for an abortion and a year later the party that shouts for women's right denies women the right to compete fairly in sports

Have you ever actually met a women? Turns out a solid majority are pro choice and they care way less about omen's sports as a national issue than right wing white non college educated dudes.

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Have you ever actually met a women? Turns out a solid majority are pro choice and they care way less about omen's sports as a national issue than right wing white non college educated dudes.

How is the fact that females care less about sports than males some sort of winning argument?

I'm going to guess if you asked them if females should have the right to have their own sports, they would say yes, before returning to baking and having babies.

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Have you ever actually met a women? Turns out a solid majority are pro choice and they care way less about omen's sports as a national issue than right wing white non college educated dudes.

Is from some studies? Or just your impression from women you know? My guess, and it's only a guess, is that most women really don't think about specific issues involving sports on a regular basis. But if you framed the question for them with the relevant information, they'd be in favor of a level playing field.

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I’m curious to hear how you would frame the question in such a way that women would tell you they care more bout women’s sports than abortion rights.

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I’m curious to hear how you would frame the question in such a way that women would tell you they care more bout women’s sports than abortion rights.

That's not the point.

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04-08-2023 , 05:26 PM

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Women are solidly pro choice according to poling. This has had measurable impacts like the lack of a 2022 red wave, with women telling you abortion rights was a top issue Women aren't solidly anti trans which makes sense given women are measurably less right wing than the rest of the population. Unsurprisingly its white non college culture war crusaders who pretend this is a women's rights issue as opposed to women who don't poll or vote as if it was.

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Believing that men should not compete against women is not anti trans . Its common sense

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04-08-2023 , 06:00 PM

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Yes. We know white non college educated white males, who also are unsure about where Obama was born or who won the 2020 election "feel" that is common sense and a major national issue. But we are discussing the opinions of a less propaganda susceptible group.

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Have you ever actually met a women? Turns out a solid majority are pro choice and they care way less about omen's sports as a national issue than right wing white non college educated dudes.

Yeah I have and I have friends that are pro life and pro choice . I have only asked a few of my female friend about the trans athlete issue and their clear opinion is screw that nonsense . 1 is a masters crossfitter/powerlifter and the other two are crossfitters and part of the LGQBT community.

Biden can execute order it but I bet it goes to the supreme court and he losses

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But are they college educated?

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But are they college educated?

1 is and the other two are not .

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1 is and the other two are not .

The opinions of non college educated meatheads-- even gay ones-- doesn't count for much around here.

You're going to need to talk to some women with advanced degrees and see what they think.

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