i was wondering, probably will prevent the expansion of women in many activities but seem the end of woman categories should just be abolish in many other field ?
Chess, Poker ,etc ?

if man can decide to be a woman anytime they wishes or feel like it , no idea why seperate woman categories is needed anymore beside obv. physical competition ?

This seems silly. Having a trans person on a youth team doesn’t mean fair-play isn’t still firmly entrenched. And no two teams ever are truly equal in ability and physicality and training and opportunity etc of the members. I don’t see trans people as significantly upsetting the equal rules but unequal players dynamic that already exists.


Regardless the quoted benefits from that paper like social supports in team sports helping depression so I can see no reason to think these go away because a trans kid is allowed on the team.

I hope so; there shouldn't be separate contests even for physical competitions.

It is astounding to me that you don't see - or chose to ignore - how wide the gulf in athletic ability is between biological sexes is, even at a young age.

That's not remotely true. The concept of regular physical activity being important is by far the best thing about ports.

As with IQ, height and most things there is an order of magnitude larger difference between individuals within the same group than the difference between average persons of any sufficiently large group.

I think there is a distinction between someone doing physical activities and sports .

Of course. But the main benefit of sports is physical activity.

There are massive gulfs in athletic ability among grade 9 kids in general, within either biological sex. Nobody suggests this is even the tiniest bit of a problem, the highly unequal nature of players is just completely accepted and embraced in sport. I’m not ignoring anything, but I don’t think most of the value in having kids play on a grade nine baseball team or whatever is upended if one of those team members is trans.

Even if true, that wouldn’t really contradict his claim that “youth sports are broadly speaking helpful on a range of metrics to kids.”

You are both right

Physical activity is obviously important, but not nearly "the best thing" about sport.

Competitive sports isn't played by people in at the average of the distribution though, it's played by individuals at the tail of the distribution.

Hence why you can usually find hundreds of boys in high school who could beat the best woman ITW for pretty much any sporting event.

This is pretty silly. There are all sorts of sports people reasonably term “competitive” that are far from the tail of the distribution and not at all characterized by top couple hundred people. The types of situations I’m more interested in is the much more common situation of just a regular old school team playing another regional school team, and I see little argument against inclusion in such places.

lol wut

FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National Team

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Despatie

"Despatie began diving at the age of 5 in his own backyard pool.

He first came to public attention at the 1998 Commonwealth Games with an extremely impressive gold medal on the 10 metre platform (which included an unprecedented score of perfect 10s). He was only 13 years old at the time, and the achievement was recorded in the Guinness Book Of World Records 2000.[2]"

if we agree best male in the world are excessively better then their female counterpart and in many sports u see some outlier like this, i guess u can see many teenagers males be better then the best female in the world or at very least , beating female national elites .

Have you noticed there is this weird category of guys on the internet for which it is very very very important to them that they talk about how men are stronger than women? Over and over? And that establishing this fact is just bizarrely central to their engagement with the entire issue?

Weird, eh?

Competitive sports leagues should be free to make their own rules then. Conservatives object to this and want big government involved wasting everyone's time and productive/liberal america's money. If we are talking youth an High school sports 99% of participants are not at the tail end.....yet big government conservatives are syill obsessed with regulating.

This doesn't contradict what I said. But without fair play or a level playing field, sports don't exist. Who would compete in a rigged game?
If you believe that the curves of athletic ability for people born male and female overlap to a great extent, you are mistaken. Also, as has been said, we're not talking about the entire population, we're talking about people interested in participating in sports.
Why don't we just put everyone in one division then? No more boys or girls teams. The answer is obvious. Also, you've said many times some version of "it's only one kid". This is terrible reasoning.
Correct, it does not contradict that specific phrase if taken by itself. Have you been paying attention to what the topic is?

I was a mediocre Division III sprinter. (For those that don't know, NCAA divisions are mostly, but not entirely, defined by the number of scholarships a school can offer. For Div III the number is zero. It generally makes the level of competition self-selecting.) The only time I would get on the track for 100m was if it was a dual or other small meet where we had unlimited entries (I was not on the team to run 100m, I was there to run 110HH.) In 1984, Florence Griffith Joyner smashed the women's world record for the 100m. Up til then, my best 100m time was faster than the women's world record. There have only been a handful of women in the years since to beat my best. 100s of high school boys every year are faster than I ever was.

Math wise, they do, but it might require learning what standard deviation, mean etc actually mean. Do you have kids? Do you know close to 100% participate in sports and that's what GOP laws target?

It's admittedly an overly mathy point by this forums low standards, but the variation in levels between kid of the same gender is enormous and much larger than population means. Nobody thinks this is cheating or rigging or ruins sports. Math wise this is just a general statistical fact true in many situations. Specifically, when you go to your kid soccer games many times you can just look at the other team warming up and often know they are going to dominate. That's why it's obvious
to most that the trans sports moral panic is just that. If this was 30 years ago we'd be talking about satanism in heavy metal and 30 years from now it will be something else.

It becomes an issue when these formerly men start competing against women. It's simply not fair to women.

Once a guy goes through puberty and his body starts transforming, bone density, muscle density and size, tendon and ligament strength, there are enormous advantages physically given to a male that a female never gets to go through at the same extent.

Hormonal therapy does not level the playing field at all.

Boys go through puberty which gives an immediate improvement in physical and athletic attributes. Women are not afforded the same gains physically and athletically.

That doesn’t explain why your typical youth sports boy is so bad at sports.

If you think participation in high school and middle school sports is close to 100% then I believe you are the one that needs a math refresher.

If you got that from my post you need a reading compphrension refresher along with everything else.