This is a common trope, but watch what happens every time. What "science" specifically do you think we are ignoring lozen?

I'll wait.


You've failed to do this before. Nevertheless.

This is a you problem. Putting your head in the sand and ignoring reality doesn't make it go away.

The trans girl doesn't meet the criteria for those that these girls' teams were set up to serve.

We don't let 8th graders play against 4th graders just because they are or claim to be mentally immature. Their bodies dictate what teams they compete on.

This is pretty silly. The debate today is how we should structure these teams. Looking at how historically they "were set up to serve" isn't "ignoring reality". It is saying we are having a current debate in 2023 about what the role of such teams should be given the existence of trans girls who are actively wanting to be part of these teams in a way that your hypotheticals of mentally immature 8th graders playing 4th graders doesn't. We can debate that one way or the other, but I don't think you get to win your argument immediately just because of how they "were set up to serve" from a time when nobody was considering this issue.

Ins0’s politics are terrible, but at least he’s upfront about them instead of playing g silly semantic games.

Grade difference wasn't the right way to put it, since I was thinking age and recognize there are situations where people can skip far ahead.

Regardless, my point was that sports teams aren't segregated due to mental status. It's about biology.

You're intent to die on this hill of teamwork and togetherness, but are also hell-bent on ignoring the fact that social activities exist beyond competitive sports. There are plenty of clubs and activities that won't involve a biological male physically dominating biological females in an arena that was supposed to be female-only by design.

In the earlier post I did not put anything in quotes falsely. I didn't respond because I thought it was ridiculous that you thought I did and self-evident that I did not. What I quoted of yours was accurate and I used it to point out something that I have noticed in general. "Important" in my post (not yours) was in quotes to stress what I thought was happening.
Shall we play the same game? I never asked if you thought trans were more important than cis. See how this works? But I'll take what I believe to be the point of your post - and please correct me if I'm wrong - having a diverse team is more important for society than fairness to one individual.

Then what are you people so worried about? If playing sports with a trans kid is totally unacceptable, there are other activities your kids can participate in. Maybe they can read books!

I'd be worried about all the daughters who lose their scholarship opportunities because they were overshadowed by boys in what was supposed to be a female-only arena.

I'd be worried about my own daughter getting blasted into next week because a boy with poor body control and 50 pounds on her threw an elbow in basketball.

Why? There are plenty of other clubs and activities for them, as you say.

I think pretty much everyone in this thread advocating for inclusion has acknowledged there is some age at which it becomes appropriate to put in hard and fast rules regarding criteria for girls and boys teams. Would you agree that there is an age at which we don't need to worry about such criteria? For example, can we let grade 3 or 4 kids play with whomever they want, or is it your belief that we need those criteria right from day one?

Because these particular activities are about fair competition in a physical arena, and throwing wolves in with the sheep isn't very fair.

Nobody bats an eye when the mathletes are a mix of male and female, because sex has no meaningful impact there. But you can and should be miffed if your little girl is assigned to cover a boy twice her size with absolutely no hope of success.

Nobody is being prevented from playing sports. Just stay within your proverbial weight class.

I'm 100% fine with it up until probably age 10 or 11, when puberty starts to kick in. How many trans 3rd graders have you ever heard of, though?

Fair enough. Then our only disagreement is on the age where this should happen.

The numbers are going to be smaller, but they certainly exist. And I'd suggest that the younger they are, the more important that they are included.

Bobo is what is so so wrong with today's education system. This is sickening

Do you care to elaborate on what is so so wrong with this? And what is the solution?

I’m about to drive all day across the great state of TX. In short, 3rd graders shouldn’t be worried about sexuality or whatever folks want to call it these days. These are adult decisions. Adults in the education shouldn’t be enablers of things that these kids will very likely regret when they are older. The solution would be to fire admin like yourself who don’t understand this

You can't win the argument over being too young. A very common trope is that, "Our child let us know they weren't a boy/girl before they could even speak."

It's always interesting how people will assign meaning to things like a little girl playing with a truck or a little boy playing with a doll, when the kids almost certainly have no concept. It couldn't be that the little girl just likes trucks. Nope, she's actually a boy.

Such is the case with this 10 year old trans runway model.

It may or may not be worth noting that this child in question has an infant sibling that their parents refer to as a "theybie". Both parents are trans as well.

Then in another argument across town, a feminist will insist that the whole concept of there being boy toys and girl toys is absurd. Toys are toys and let kids just play.

Who is correct? Nobody knows.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but I don't expect that this has anything to do with sexuality in grade 3, and I'm not sure what you think they're doing that they'll regret when they're older.

If you don't know the difference between sexuality and gender, then perhaps you shouldn't be opining on this topic.

Gender is imaginary and sexuality is real.

What do I win?

Luckbox going right for the throat, I see.

We might as well close the thread if that’s going to be a requirement.

FYP.

I'm working on some new material.

It was mildly annoying the first dozen times, now it's mostly a like a buzz that's faded into the background.