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05-17-2019 , 05:01 PM

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05-18-2019 , 08:23 PM
Jay Inslee (governor of Washington, which is, according to US News and World Reports, the best state to live in) has little chance of winning the nomination. However, he is doing good work as an issue-focused candidate running on the need to combat climate change. Here is his website issue page, which focuses exclusively on climate change. Here is Vox reporter David Roberts on his fairly detailed plan. A few highlights:

-costs $9 trillion over 10 years ($3t in public and $6t in private)
-$3 trillion to infrastructure.
-$2 trillion to subsidies for clean manufacturing
-$350 billion to research
-subsidies to building upgrades to make them more energy efficient.
-subsidies to job programs for former coal workers and a "G.I. Bill" and other green job programs
-requiring all new cars have to be 100% zero-emission by 2030
-investing in EV charging infrastructure
-requiring federal buildings be carbon neutral.
-subsidies for energy efficiency in new construction

And much else.
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05-27-2019 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
Jay Inslee (governor of Washington, which is, according to US News and World Reports, the best state to live in) has little chance of winning the nomination. However, he is doing good work as an issue-focused candidate running on the need to combat climate change. Here is his website issue page, which focuses exclusively on climate change. Here is Vox reporter David Roberts on his fairly detailed plan. A few highlights:

-costs $9 trillion over 10 years ($3t in public and $6t in private)
-$3 trillion to infrastructure.
-$2 trillion to subsidies for clean manufacturing
-$350 billion to research
-subsidies to building upgrades to make them more energy efficient.
-subsidies to job programs for former coal workers and a "G.I. Bill" and other green job programs
-requiring all new cars have to be 100% zero-emission by 2030
-investing in EV charging infrastructure
-requiring federal buildings be carbon neutral.
-subsidies for energy efficiency in new construction

And much else.
It's tough to win when dealing with specifics like this.
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05-29-2019 , 01:16 AM
Once again, the perfect candidate is Lori Lightfoot. If you want identity politics, then put your money where your mouth is!
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05-29-2019 , 12:30 PM
I have vague plans to actually start paying attention to specific policy proposals from candidates soon. At least before the debates. There's a fair amount at Vox which I haven't really looked at closely.

Noteworthy today: Beto O'Rourke's Immigration proposal (PDF here)

A lot of stuff you'd expect (stop building the wall; support for a path to citizenship for the currently undocumented, etc.) and probably a lot of ideas that won't pass Congress, but worth a look. Some other interesting bits:

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Establishes a new, first-of-its-kind community-based visa category. Beto’s proposal will create a brand new category whereby communities and congregations can welcome refugees through community sponsorship of visas. This program will supplement the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program, which will be rebuilt and restored to align with America’s tradition of welcoming vulnerable refugees from around the world.
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Make naturalization easier for the nearly 9 million immigrants who are currently eligible for citizenship....
  • Reforms the application process so that individuals are mailed a pre-filled application form as soon as they meet the legal requirements for citizenship;
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Ensure transparency and accountability in law enforcement, including ICE and CBP. Beto will also continue to champion and build upon his previous proposals to:
  • Create an independent Border Oversight Commission, an Ombudsman, and Border Community Liaison office;
  • Create a uniform process for tracking and preventing migrant deaths along the border;
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05-31-2019 , 04:34 PM
It looks like it's gonna be Biden. Personally, I think Biden is too old.
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06-01-2019 , 11:58 PM
Joe Biden... or the progressives will have to rally around one compromise candidate. i think it'd be Elizabeth Warren. but i doubt Bernie Sanders will do that.
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06-02-2019 , 02:21 AM

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06-04-2019 , 11:48 AM
Joe Biden’s $5 trillion climate plan: Net zero emissions by 2050

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Biden’s plan calls for $1.7 trillion in federal spending over 10 years, with the rest of the investments coming from the private sector. Biden, who discusses the plan in a video posted online, proposes covering the taxpayer costs by repealing the corporate tax cuts that President Donald Trump signed in 2017, while eliminating existing subsidies to the fossil fuel industry.
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The former vice president’s outline tracks some ideas of the Green New Deal pushed by many Democrats in Washington, though Biden isn’t as aggressive in his timeline for curbing emissions.

Biden’s outline is similar in size and scope to what former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke has proposed . Biden falls short of Washington Gov. Jay Inslee’s pitch for $3 trillion in federal spending over a decade, which Inslee says will spur $6 trillion more in private investment.
The article provides some other details about the proposals, and there is more on Biden's website.

I'm not sure how important, in practice, the differences between the candidates' climate proposals will be.
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06-04-2019 , 11:55 AM
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Joe Biden’s $5 trillion climate plan: Net zero emissions by 2050





The article provides some other details about the proposals, and there is more on Biden's website.

I'm not sure how important, in practice, the differences between the candidates' climate proposals will be.
It seems everyone’s policies are going to be so substantively different (at least on paper) to what the Trump administration is doing, the nuances seem insignificant compared to the importance to get him out of office by picking the best candidate to do that.
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06-04-2019 , 02:01 PM
Elizabeth Warren’s latest big idea is “economic patriotism”

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Warren wants a Department of Economic Development

One specific bullet point on Warren’s policy agenda is to create a unified Department of Economic Development that would combine the functions of the Commerce Department with the Small Business Administration, the Patent and Trademark Office, various job training and R&D programs scattered around the bureaucracy, and the export and trade agencies including the Office of the US Trade Representative.

The bureaucratic reorganization, however, is basically just to set the stage for a mission statement: “the new Department will have a single goal: creating and defending good American jobs.”
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She calls instead for a multifaceted economic development policy approach that’s loosely modeled on Germany, Japan, and China.
  • She wants the Federal Reserve and other relevant agencies to focus on how the value of the US dollar contributes to the trade deficit.
  • She wants more federal spending on research and development and stronger rules to ensure that federally funded R&D leads to production that is geographically located in the United States.
  • She calls for various rules to ensure that the federal government captures the financial upside of commercial products that depend on federal R&D, with the money recycled into more future R&D programs.
  • She wants this R&D spending spread geographically around the country to ensure it boosts economic activity in many parts of the country.
  • She calls for a bigger version of the existing Export-Import Bank (interestingly, an issue on which Sen. Bernie Sanders tends to side with conservatives) that would fund a broader range of programs.
  • She wants stricter rules requiring US government purchases to come from domestic sources.
  • She calls for a ten-fold increase on spending on apprenticeship programs and a restructuring of some existing job training programs to more clearly resemble the widely admired German apprenticeship model.
I assume some of those bullet points are going to seem a little reminiscent of central planning to some observers, like "various rules to ensure that the federal government captures the financial upside of commercial products that depend on federal R&D", but it at least seems interesting to me. I have basically no idea how to evaluate this plan overall. I'm curious to hear her talk more about it (I'm sure she has and will).

I think the idea of a Dept. of Economic Development sounds interesting, if bringing together different parts of the bureaucracy can rationalize some decisions tying together R&D with job training, and so on.
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06-04-2019 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
Joe Biden’s $5 trillion climate plan: Net zero emissions by 2050





The article provides some other details about the proposals, and there is more on Biden's website.

I'm not sure how important, in practice, the differences between the candidates' climate proposals will be.
Imo, the difference is Inslee has an actual integrated plan that while costing more in the near term will pay off significantly more in the future due to the significant productivity investments both in terms of technology, infrastructure and most importantly investment in human capital to improve employee skill.

Like OrP said, he probably doesn’t have a chance, but if he actually wants a shot at winning he really needs to get out of the ‘climate change’ lane and focus on the economic side of his plan because Dems are already sold on climate change. So he’s basically preaching to the choir with that. What they along with a lot in the middle are not sold on is how we’re going to go about things in a somewhat fiscally responsible manner without giving the government a carte blanche mandate to do whatever. He also needs to be upfront about who is ultimately going to foot the bill for all this—everyone earning above average income, not just corporations and the rich. The latter is b.s. no matter who’s peddling it.

So there's an open lane for him, imo. And if he gets an endorsement from the Gates-Buffet crowd and in some bizzaro world AOC drops her allegiance to Democratic Socialism and buys into Inslee's social democracy model.... We now return you to your regularly scheduled program: Reality.
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06-04-2019 , 05:17 PM
Cory Booker's most distinctive policy is his "baby bonds" proposal. This legislation would give every newborn a $1000 bond held by the government (so 2-3% increase per year). Each year until the age of 18 they would get an additional amount added based on family income, ranging from $0 - $2000. Then at 18, the kid can use the bond for a limited number of purchases, such as college tuition, down payment on a house, or retirement. The range of a baby bond for an 18-year-old would be between $1681 and $46,215.

The plan would cost about $80b p/year and Booker proposes paying for it through an increase in estate taxes and the capital gains tax.
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06-04-2019 , 05:21 PM
I remember reading about that and thinking it seems like a pretty cool idea.
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06-04-2019 , 05:27 PM
For the love of god, not Biden...
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06-05-2019 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
Elizabeth Warren’s latest big idea is “economic patriotism”





I assume some of those bullet points are going to seem a little reminiscent of central planning to some observers, like "various rules to ensure that the federal government captures the financial upside of commercial products that depend on federal R&D", but it at least seems interesting to me. I have basically no idea how to evaluate this plan overall. I'm curious to hear her talk more about it (I'm sure she has and will).

I think the idea of a Dept. of Economic Development sounds interesting, if bringing together different parts of the bureaucracy can rationalize some decisions tying together R&D with job training, and so on.
The part you quoted is based on the work by Mariana Mazzucato.
It's definitely not like state planning, but does have some characteristics of state capitalism (think Norway's sovereign wealth fund). She basically laims that most of the groundbreaking innovation is actually government funded research, so the government should receive compensation for the innovation so that it can fund more basic research. Below is a link to the pamphlet she wrote as well as a condensed version for Foreign Affairs and a Ted Talk she did on it.
Entrepreneurial State
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...novative-state
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06-05-2019 , 06:33 AM
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Joe Biden’s $5 trillion climate plan: Net zero emissions by 2050





The article provides some other details about the proposals, and there is more on Biden's website.

I'm not sure how important, in practice, the differences between the candidates' climate proposals will be.
FWIW climate change policy is not a winning issue for the Dem POTUS candidate in the general.

10 best selling vehicles in the United States 2018 were mostly trucks and SUVs
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06-05-2019 , 08:26 AM
yes it is
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06-05-2019 , 09:23 AM
Maybe I'm out of touch, and I don't have my finger on the pulse of the American voter, but I'd lay big odds that it's Warren who's out of touch. Championing some economic scheme of shifting around a bunch of bureaucracy which emulates foreign governments is not how you grow a voter base. I think she's been dead in the water anyway since that 1/1024th fiasco, although her utter lack of charisma as essentially an ersatz Hillary probably precluded her long before then. To be fair, maybe she asked a bunch of voters what issues they cared about and a lot responded, "Our economic bureaucracy's structure and role in private investment." So maybe she's on the right track.

That Cory Booker plan also seems like a big misstep, although since he's already defined himself and his campaign as the race-card wealth distribution platform, I'm not sure what other options he had. His "modern-day lynching" of his friend Smollett didn't redound to his credit, especially after he refused to walk back his comments in light of it all being a hoax. Now reading that VOX article, it presents his "baby bond" plan as essentially reparations, breaking it down by race to say that white kids will get on average $11,500 less than blacks, and the money will come from mostly rich whites. So he's going to raise taxes to redistribute more money, despite the fact the bottom 50% of tax payers pay only 3% of the income tax burden. And I assume it's even less for estate taxes and capital gains. I can't imagine his race-based wealth distribution plan is going to resonate much with the majority of the country.
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06-05-2019 , 10:37 AM
her utter lack of charisma


Warren has plenty of charisma but maybe you're just thinking she should smile more.



Elizabeth Warren Had Charisma, and Then She Ran for President
Female candidates face a “double bind,” researchers say. When women are perceived as competent, they’re less likely to be seen as inspiring.

APR 9, 2019

Peter Beinart
Professor of journalism at the City University of New York
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Charisma comes from the Greek word for “divine gift,” and back in 2015, political commentators thought Elizabeth Warren had a lot of it. Vox called the senator from Massachusetts “a more charismatic campaigner than [Hillary] Clinton.” Roll Call said Clinton couldn’t “match Warren’s charisma, intensity or passion.” The polling firm Rasmussen called Warren “Bernie Sanders with charisma.”

That was then. Now that Warren is running for president, many journalists have decided the charisma is gone.
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/elizabeth-warrens-charisma-didnt-suddenly-disappear/586690/
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06-05-2019 , 05:33 PM
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That Cory Booker plan also seems like a big misstep, although since he's already defined himself and his campaign as the race-card wealth distribution platform, I'm not sure what other options he had. His "modern-day lynching" of his friend Smollett didn't redound to his credit, especially after he refused to walk back his comments in light of it all being a hoax. Now reading that VOX article, it presents his "baby bond" plan as essentially reparations, breaking it down by race to say that white kids will get on average $11,500 less than blacks, and the money will come from mostly rich whites. So he's going to raise taxes to redistribute more money, despite the fact the bottom 50% of tax payers pay only 3% of the income tax burden. And I assume it's even less for estate taxes and capital gains. I can't imagine his race-based wealth distribution plan is going to resonate much with the majority of the country.
Which primary do you think Booker is running in? Raising taxes on the wealthy to pay for social programs that benefit the less well-off is pretty popular among Democratic voters. And this isn't just Democrats either, a 2015 Gallup poll showed that 63% of American adults believe that wealth should be more evenly distributed and only 31% believed the current distribution is fair.

Also, seriously "race-based wealth distribution plan"? If you are opposed to race reparations and affirmative action, then this is exactly the kind of plan you should support. The benefits are not race-based, but income-based. The reason that black people benefit more than white people is because on average black people have a lower income.
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06-06-2019 , 12:57 AM
I think the people responding in those polls are ignorant of the statistics of who pays what in taxes. I'm confident I could create a poll where I ask people, "What percentage of total income tax revenues should the bottom 50% of taxpayers pay?" and a huge number of respondents would say 50%, and people with a higher IQ would say something lower, maybe 25% or 10%. Maybe a few people wearing Che shirts would say zero. And then when I total up the average that would surely be higher than 3%, I could publish my results in Breitbart with the title AMERICANS BELIEVE WEALTHY ARE OVERTAXED.

But that's more of an aside to what I said in my post. I don't know if Booker's redistribution policies are more extreme than any other Democrat's. If you read my post, you'll see what I'm saying is quite different. What I'm saying is that the race element that is being pushed (by Vox in this case) is what redounds to Booker's detriment. Obama, Yang, Tulsi—they manage to run their campaigns without pounding you over the head with the race card. That article could have presented Booker's plan without ever mentioning race, and yet it insists on mentioning it many times, portraying the plan as a white-to-black redistribution. A politician with a real chance to win the presidency would be chagrined by Vox's article, but the reason Booker's chances are negligible is because Booker would have written it the same way—he's all about the race card.
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06-06-2019 , 01:54 AM
Booker isn't running for the Presidency though he's running for the Democratic nominee for President. Then he'll run for the Presidency.
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06-06-2019 , 02:01 PM
I would love to see a reliable study of the voting habits of people who use the phrase "race card".
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06-06-2019 , 02:08 PM
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I think the people responding in those polls are ignorant of the statistics of who pays what in taxes. I'm confident I could create a poll where I ask people, "What percentage of total income tax revenues should the bottom 50% of taxpayers pay?" and a huge number of respondents would say 50%, and people with a higher IQ would say something lower, maybe 25% or 10%. Maybe a few people wearing Che shirts would say zero. And then when I total up the average that would surely be higher than 3%, I could publish my results in Breitbart with the title AMERICANS BELIEVE WEALTHY ARE OVERTAXED.
A couple points. First, this doesn't defeat my point. You claimed that Booker putting forward a policy that redistributes wealth from rich people to poorer people was a campaigning mistake. I pointed out that such a policy is popular among people. Your response doesn't show it is unpopular, only that you don't know whether it is popular because you don't trust surveys.

Second, you should trust surveys when they are done by reputable sources like Gallup. What better source do you have for knowing people's opinions? Your made-up survey would be published in Breitbart because it is an obvious hack job and Breitbart is a hack rag, not because it shows Gallup's surveys are wrong.

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But that's more of an aside to what I said in my post. I don't know if Booker's redistribution policies are more extreme than any other Democrat's. If you read my post, you'll see what I'm saying is quite different. What I'm saying is that the race element that is being pushed (by Vox in this case) is what redounds to Booker's detriment. Obama, Yang, Tulsi—they manage to run their campaigns without pounding you over the head with the race card. That article could have presented Booker's plan without ever mentioning race, and yet it insists on mentioning it many times, portraying the plan as a white-to-black redistribution. A politician with a real chance to win the presidency would be chagrined by Vox's article, but the reason Booker's chances are negligible is because Booker would have written it the same way—he's all about the race card.
I don't care what Yang or Tulsi do regarding race - neither of them have any chance of winning the nomination and so don't tell us much about how to run. As for Obama, my memory is that his most well-known and important speech during the 2008 election was "A More Perfect Union," which was largely about his own experience as a black man in America experiencing racism and how he squares that with a positive and patriotic attitude towards the US. So I don't agree with your characterization of his campaign.

Second, your objection here is not towards Booker's policy, or even his campaign, but rather that Vox, a magazine oriented primarily towards woke liberals, emphasized the fact that his "baby bond" policy would have a greater impact on black people than white people (even though it is race neutral). If you want to criticize Booker for playing the "race card," do so when he actually does so, not when some other organization that isn't affiliated with him does so.
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