So, by my count Wookie has 12 posts in this thread, and they are all criticizing Ngo, The Proud Boys, and 1 bizarre video of Trump. In addition to all the victim shaming no acknowledgement at all that Antifa actually did anything wrong.

Sounds about right.

Sounds like whatever Wookie is doing is pretty analogous to slut-shaming/rape culture.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rape-culture_b_3279668

Rape culture is when the victims are blamed for “asking for it” by wearing the wrong clothes, being out at night, walking alone, being flirtatious or pretty, or any number of other things. Slut-shaming contributes to the idea that girls who are more flirty or provocative deserve less respect than girls who aren’t, and that leads to the idea that something they did lead to them being raped.

ok

oh and i like the provoke angle. im trying to imagine an alternate world where a 5'5 gay asian vox photo journalist follows the proud boys and gets attacked on camera and hospitalized and then people itt react they way wookie and others have in defense of the proud boys. im thinking not only do those posts get lightning deleted but also the posters start eating bans and the thread is locked... but thats just my wacky imagination

to be honest your comparisons to "she asked for it" aren't very good. You're comparing this to a woman going out in a skirt and getting black out drunk. Thats not a good comparison at all. This is like she goes to a party with her friends and stays behind to hang out with the guys after her friends leave

The slut shaming comparison is valid but the black out drunk stuff is way out of line. wookies reaction isn't equivalent to she shouldn't have worn that outfit, its why should i care?

you keep trying to shove this square peg into a round hole.. you think it makes your side look better.. it doesn't, it makes you look like you don't understand what analogies are, or that you are bad faith trolling.

the only "proof" that Ngo had any kind of head injury is from Ngo, who clearly has a MASSIVE amount to gain from playing up any alleged injuries, he's free to post the medical paperwork with the diagnosis that prove he recovered from a brain hemorrhage (which means stroke) while live tweeting the whole time..

until then color me skeptic..

We would have also accepted a long, long way to run.

hmm... who else is iyo being unjustly vilified for apparently flimsy connections to white supremacy?

vox journalist carlos maza gets attacked by a wild mob of proud boys, and we have it on tape! now lets speculate and drum up conspiracy theories as to what the doctors actually told him his injuries were, and his motives behind the beating he received.

I'm imagining the sensitivity in which other victims of violence have been handled and trying to apply this here. not because of a single misstep but a mountain of what seems to be absurd posting and the bias being displayed in how different political views are dealt with.

Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson

Ngo has a history of lying and self aggrandizement. he has routinely written pieces accusing people of hate crime hoaxes without any proof. (which coincidentally, i see is probably why you like him).

he also didnt take a "beating". he got kicked one time in the leg on the video.. apparently there is a different video of him getting hit in the head a single time.

again im willing to belief he's an egg-shell plaintiff, but he needs to provide the proof to back up anything medically he is claiming for publicity.

If you don't know who he is, why should anyone care what you think about this incident?

What a fascinating interest to develop. Got to have hobbies, I guess.

I wasn't asking you.

You may need to know details of the victim before you can have a view on the incident but many of us don't.

You are free not to care.

Yeah I know it's kind of an ongoing thing with you people. But consider this: it is possible to know what you're talking about. The time well named spent typing that post could've been spent googling and reading.

It's fascinating, isn't it, how there's a clear partisan/ideological divide in this(and every other) thread in just basic command of the facts. Huh. Well, no conclusions to be drawn from that.

Indeed some of 'us people' don't need to know about the victim before considering the incident. Nor are we incapable of abstraction

You are different because you have to decide if they deserved. Did they have it coming?

Don't forget you make a lot up so your fascinations are generally not well grounded.

No, it's not. It's funny how these deplorable analogies are allowed. Like I guess I can't call you a troll but I can say whatever you're doing is pretty analogous to trolling.

This seems like a pretty ****ing important question to be able to answer when you're reviewing that someone got a black eye! You're so good at abstracting information here, how do you know he didn't throw the first punch? How do you know that he was attacked over politics?

I know you imagine you're drawing some moral high ground here by trying to adopt the insane analogy between Ngo and a rape victim but Jesus how little information do you have about it? I know you're "considering it" without knowing who Ngo is but are you also "considering it" without knowing what the incident in question is?


The first part of your post was you BRAGGING about how little information you need to know about an incident before forming an opinion, man, you need to organize your thoughts a little better.

Apropos of nothing and definitely not anything I posted about elsewhere in this thread, why did Kelhus link to sort of a mainstream journalism explainer of rape culture/slut shaming and then also write out definition of the terms?

lol I think his first exposure to either of those concepts was Twitter racists making ****ty analogies about Andy Ngo and he assumes that other people might also not have heard about them until now. Kelhus, buddy, that article you linked is from 2013.

No when considering attacking someone violently we do not need to consider if they had it coming.

This is not about sympathy with the victim or sympathy with the attacker. It's about political violence.

You're making stuff up again. Sorry nothing follows from the stuff you make up.

To paraphrase Trolly in rules-complying form, one day you guys are going to find out about the rest of the world and it's gonna absolutely blow your mind.

Maybe you should get out more. You will find plenty of us guys on the left who are averse to political violence

And we can seperate that from our sympathies.

To quote Jeremy Corbyn - fly this is what much of the the left wing is really like. You may not agree but you can learn what others think.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...protest-claims

and Bernie Sanders

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bern...ry?id=39602627