You are not boss of who my friends are. And, how can you speak for antifa like they are a conformity group while anti fascism isn’t a conformity group?

Democrats shouldn't condemn violence, Republicans sure as **** endorse it.

Another great way to avoid violence "if you have antifa in your area" is to not be openly and proudly fascist.

No sensible person endorses violence.

Defying a behavioral expectation to do performative condemnation on demand is not minimizing violence or otherwise defacing trauma. Not everyone considers transmitting condemnation as a successful way to intervene to reduce violence or approach violence . Mainly because condemnation is also usable to provoke violence. And violence is always condemned, yet here we are.

Counting the people who show up to face fascism in defiance of the risk of violence. That’s telling the part of the story that is anti-fascism and counter-.violence. I can’t stop anyone from condoning or condemning violence, but I also can’t be stopped from questioning and abstaining from that whole scheme. It’s so easy to fake condemning violence a fascist can even do it.

But he is a conservative so to many that means Nazi. The world has gone to hell.

I'm not pretending that condemning violence has much effect on reducing it. As you say, it is a performative act. Nonetheless, much of politics is performative, and while you can choose to not care about this aspect, your not caring won't stop other people from still interpreting your actions and words in light of these performative expectations. These interpretations, especially when done by the media, can have a larger impact on political culture.

Never accused Trump of being sensible. Not sure what your point is. Sometimes Republicans say dumb things too? Orange man bad! Very cool.

Highlighting the performance shifts light back to the authoritarians who dd a “both sides” performance while they themselves are a third side.

Which moves the view around to who all is showing up ready for combat.

We are supposed to trust their authority in our hierarchy. but they can only count two sides of a multitude of sides?

Suddenly the question of violence leaps from insinuations with antifa, to even more questions about violence. Out of control discussions and communications for the concerns of ending violence. A complete story with every side. That can’t help fascism.

The fact you apparently missed the point doesn't make it "zero content."

You are probably right to not want to be to close to them... Suppose a Thermidor Reaction isn't too far out and Antifa will start to consume itself from within? I mean, we can't all be the "mostest" virtue signal-er in the bunch and eventually folks are going to get jealous.

This belief is not widely shared on the right, or the center, or the left. This country is the result of a violent revolution. Our most popular sport is so violent it cuts decades off player's lives. Our most popular leisure time pastimes include watching people pretend to shoot each or pretending to shoot people with a game controller.

The principle of extreme pacifism is nearly exclusively deployed in service of... not physically confronting fascists. Which, you know, kind of a weird spot to pick!


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It's kinda weird that all the "fake news" "rope tree journalist some assembly required" "day of the brick" reactionaries have decided just this week

1) Journalists are some sort of super protected class. (A Republican Congressman physically attacked a journalist for asking questions about health care during his re-election campaign! He won that race, and I'm gonna guess none of you even remember his name)

2) Ngo claimed to have a brain hemorrhage that appears to have healed in record time, and the coverage of antifa here has included Ted Cruz was tweeting about antifa putting quick dry cement in their shakes and a very widely spread belief that people were getting chemical burns from acid or some other mystery additive.

So, fans of Ngo, did Ngo ever condemn the Proud Boys for beating up a person protesting them? Because it seems like Ngo covers the Proud Boys extensively, giving them considerable amounts of good coverage. He surely would have heard about this, but I, at least, am not finding any articles where he disavows them and insists they apologize.

Nah I just don't like the idea of people physically assaulting other people in the street. Crazy stance, I know.

Are you sure that it's the psychical altercations in the streets that's concerning you?

With the disclaimer I have never been to Stormfront, I have to say this thread is playing out exactly how I imagine a Stormfront thread on Charlottesville would (and probably has) played outt; except in this thread we have extreme leftists celebrating a political attack and victim blaming, as opposed to extreme rightists doing the same in respect to Charlottesville.

I'm sorry, who is under arrest for the murder of Andrew Ngo and facing multiple counts of vehicular assault?

So the moral of this story is that as long as you stop short of murder, political violence and victim blaming is ok?

It turns out that the degree of violence does matter, yes. Perhaps you're unaware, but we have an intricate legal code that lays out how different levels of violence deserve different levels of punishment.

Well, this isn't really relevant to any point I am making, but I am certainly not advocating life in prison for anyone involved in this incident, so sure.

Now I get it: fa = fascist.

"he was asking for it"

He also got hit in the head and has a brain bleed.

Thats because this is political violence. People are being attacked for recording video of an event. I am sure people would be upset if Acosta got beat up at a MAGA rally. It would be news for months.

Ya, sounds about right for the radicals in this forum. Bunch of white men happy that a guy who has different views then them has a bleeding brain. Very tolerant. A gay asian journalist is in the hospital and they are happy because he doesn't think like them. Very disturbing.