Trouble is that goading violence was an excellent plan for them.

Not one requiring genius to figure out but some still fall for it.

bu then you're going to need to provide sandwiches and no-one has the even answered trollies most important question yet.

This assumes attention is the function of their behavior, which it isn't. They're not trolling.

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Seems like Portland won. No big fights and the Nazi March kind of fizzled and didn't go anywhere.

Its Portland Oregon. It is perhaps the most progressive cities in the entire country. No right wing provocateur march is every going to "go anywhere." At most all that was going to happen was some Antifa would milkshake or assault a couple marchers and it would be fodder for Fox programming for a couple days.

The narrative that this was going to turn into some dangerous, giant right wing demonstration that would sweep up the whole city is pure fever dream fantasy you made up for yourself.

Good thing I didn't say anything like that.

Doesn't really matter what somebody thinks.

The Milgram experiments have been replicated across genders and cultures with no problem, the percentages stay about the same.

And nobody is ignoring those who resist, but when the people who don't generally account for 70-90% of respondents... and this in a setting where they are basically asked to torture a fellow human by a stranger, it's safe to say that we're looking at normal human behavior and not freaks.

To think that one can somehow be inoculated from fascism is a comforting thought, but probably an illusion.

So what are the motives for Proud Boys marching in Portland, Oregon in your mind if it isn’t trolling?

I'm starting to think they like being beaten up by antifa thugs. I'm not here to kink shame but they do need to stop running to the police and the media after engaging in consensual behavior. Crying wolf is apparently part of the thrill for them but they're only hurting real victims.

They had to change their story from “delicate snowflakes” to “terrorists” because of small amounts of fisticuffs- And, now they still gotta show up and act proud.

Racism, white supremacy, other bigotry.

They certainly aren’t just doing it to be devils advocate “trolls”. They aren’t out there fighting the good fight to point out the real bad guys or any of that other normal contrarian bullshit you’re spilling.

They are incel losers that found some power in trying to intimidate people, and then, now that they have come up against an “anti group” if you will that isn’t intimidated they cry and whine and claim to be the victims like all conservative “tough guy” types.

That neither of you goofies can imagine, even in jokes, being on the counter-protest side is a real big tell here lol.

Like one potential way of discouraging clashes between white supremacists and counter-protesters would be to you know, reduce the amount of white supremacists. Such that they wouldn't hold rallies.

But both of you are on record repeatedly saying that you think accusations of "white supremacy" existing and being bad are some sort of rhetorical trick by the left to do divisiveness.

Dividing the natural allies of fascists and anti-facists, of course, serves the real enemy(which is poor people, I think? It's real tough to tell because neither of you really have opinions about policies, but connecting the dots that's my best guess).

Work through individuals, not mobs. I'm fine with the assertion that I want nothing to do with the latter.

I have said that white supremacism is a very real thing and that the ruling class can rightly be said to be white supremacist.
It is also used as as a weapon by that same ruling class. There is no contradiction there.

I'm not part of the silly kiddies club.

You don't need a tell - I'm completely open about not being part of the silly kiddies club.

I'll leave you to make up something more ... go for it. You can do it. We need you.

Once upon a time they thought they were going to show up and smash some “delicate snowflakes” into obedience and submission.
Well, those delicate folks have friends...

A continuing effort to normalize and promote an overtly racist agenda? Silent responses to this is reinforcing for the perps.

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This post sounds like a fever dream. Are you familiar with projection?

ding ding ding

Adorno ITT. I don't know anything about him but used a quote as an epigraph in my diss because it fit slick as hell (pattern matching).

Love is the power to see similarity in the dissimilar.
—Theodor Adorno

I was looking at this recently. Makes sense. Cognitive inflexibility /rigidity is further explained in the article, e.g one trait would be weak ability to update your mental model when new information is presented.

Research into the roots of ideological extremism has traditionally focused on the social, economic, and demographic factors that make people vulnerable to adopting hostile attitudes toward outgroups. However, there is insufficient empirical work on individual differences in implicit cognition and information processing styles that amplify an individual’s susceptibility to endorsing violence to protect an ideological cause or group. Here we present original evidence that objectively assessed cognitive inflexibility predicts extremist attitudes, including a willingness to harm others, and sacrifice one’s life for the group. Across two samples (N = 1,047) from the United Kingdom and United States, structural equation models demonstrated that cognitive inflexibility predicted endorsement of violence to protect the national ingroup, which in turn predicted a willingness to die for the group. These statistical models accounted for an average of 31.4% of the variance in willingness to die for the group, after accounting for demographic variables. Furthermore, cognitive inflexibility was related to greater confidence in the decision to sacrifice one’s life in an ingroup trolley problem scenario. Analysis of participants’ performance on the cognitive tasks revealed that cognitive rigidity – distinctly from other aspects of cognition – was specifically implicated as a cognitive antecedent of extremist attitudes. Implications for the study of radicalization and identity fusion through a neurocognitive lens are discussed.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...019.00989/full

they got the guy on the left

I was at one protest where there was one group of anti-Trumpkins and a group of Trumpkins kind of menacing each other. There were a lot of police and there was no physical contact at all. The only person arrested was the one Black guy.