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07-03-2019 , 03:06 PM
07-03-2019 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
the Ngo incident was at a proud boys event.. the proud boys hold these events to try and start fights and then claim victim..

your JAQ'ing off thing is getting old if you dont even read the articles nor are you informed about the things you are posting.
Ngo is not a "proud boy", a conservative, aggressive, or threatening

Are you sure this was a "proud boy" event? If it was a "proud boy" event would showing up with weapons and your face covered and attacking a photo journalist (or 3) be self defense or showing up with the intention to commit violence in accordance with a history of violent behavior?

Please be aware that I'm not going to respond to many of your posts. A lot of the time it is just beyond an eye roll to read what you write. If you happen formulate something interesting or tee up something I find interesting, it will happen but many of your posts don't meet that standard
07-03-2019 , 03:09 PM
I have tried to find this youtube video again but I can't find it but it is one of the funniest and best Youtubes I've ever seen. It is about people who go to to demonstrations and try to get antifa high to diffuse tensions. It is amazing. They claim you should always carry a couple of emergency joints for anytime there is a threat of violence and the smell alone will work to calm people. So perhaps consider that if you have antifa in your area.
07-03-2019 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
It definitely takes more than one armed soldier to take out a 5'5 gay asian photo journalist who is by themselves among a mob. The heroics are outstanding. The hyperbolic comparisons actually speak to why we have the problem to begin with

Portland is the battle ground to "privileged" white kids to fight facism. lol get a grip. The hyperbolic reaction is accompanied by a rabid description of the political climate, especially in portland
07-03-2019 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
Ngo is not a "proud boy", a conservative, aggressive, or threatening

Are you sure this was a "proud boy" event? If it was a "proud boy" event would showing up with weapons and your face covered and attacking a photo journalist (or 3) be self defense or showing up with the intention to commit violence in accordance with a history of violent behavior?

Please be aware that I'm not going to respond to many of your posts. A lot of the time it is just beyond an eye roll to read what you write. If you happen formulate something interesting or tee up something I find interesting, it will happen but many of your posts don't meet that standard
you never seem to have any idea about what you are trying to post. it's boring and sad. none of it can be considered to be in good faith, but you seem to be the new forums little dunce child that is allowed to do whatever he wants.

it was a proud boy rally called "him too", so yes i am sure of what it was. the professional agitator Ngo was there to start trouble, as he has numerous times, he got hit with a milkshake, pushed, and fell down. he and his crew lied and said the milkshake had quick dry cement in them, which is a scientific impossibility, because of the effects of sugar and cement. there was never any proof of any thing Ngo has claimed other than that he got hit with dairy and pushed..

feel free to do just the smallest amount of reading before any of these posts and maybe you will get responses other than just saying your points are dumb.
07-03-2019 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
It definitely takes more than one armed soldier to take out a 5'5 gay asian photo journalist who is by themselves among a mob. The heroics are outstanding. The hyperbolic comparisons actually speak to why we have the problem to begin with

Portland is the battle ground to "privileged" white kids to fight facism. lol get a grip. The hyperbolic reaction is accompanied by a rabid description of the political climate, especially in portland
Cool, sounds like antifa is a total non-entity except in the fever dreams of right wing lunatics. Glad we sorted that one out. /thread
07-03-2019 , 03:21 PM
The fact that people are willing to defend this group, who cover their faces and commits violent acts in the streets is mind boggling but alarmingly not surprising at all.
07-03-2019 , 03:22 PM
07-03-2019 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
"the proud boys" weren't mentioned or even implied in your previous post. So is this some sort of equivalency? like its bad that "the proud boys" do this but when antifa does it you get defensive?

if you don't like this type of behavior you could just come out and describe what you dislike about antifa (the thread topic). Your original comment was just a really weird way to do that
The Huffpost article was about 'far right extremists', in their case, The Proud Boys, looking for fights. Which is true. Not really an equivalency with Antifa though
07-03-2019 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
you never seem to have any idea about what you are trying to post. it's boring and sad. none of it can be considered to be in good faith, but you seem to be the new forums little dunce child that is allowed to do whatever he wants.

it was a proud boy rally called "him too", so yes i am sure of what it was. the professional agitator Ngo was there to start trouble, as he has numerous times, he got hit with a milkshake, pushed, and fell down. he and his crew lied and said the milkshake had quick dry cement in them, which is a scientific impossibility, because of the effects of sugar and cement. there was never any proof of any thing Ngo has claimed other than that he got hit with dairy and pushed..

feel free to do just the smallest amount of reading before any of these posts and maybe you will get responses other than just saying your points are dumb.
among other problems, you probably shouldn't omit the punching and kicking that marked up his face (and were filmed) that hospitalized him

I don't think this adds credibility to your claims i post in bad faith and have no idea what i'm talking about
07-03-2019 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang
The fact that people are willing to defend this group, who cover their faces and commits violent acts in the streets is mind boggling but alarmingly not surprising at all.
i think its mostly that people dont care, more so than defending them..


if a drug dealer gets beat up by another drug dealer, it's still wrong and illegal, but you'd be hard pressed to find any conservatives that are clutching their pearls like they are here.
07-03-2019 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
The Huffpost article was about 'far right extremists', in their case, The Proud Boys, looking for fights. Which is true. Not really an equivalency with Antifa though
Could you articulate the problems you have with antifa?

that was presumptuous of me. i should add, if any
07-03-2019 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
All I know about Andy Ngo is that

a) According to Singal, he writes a lot about antifa
b) he doxxed an antifa member or some other protestor once in the past
c) he was attacked recently

For me (b) and (c) are both wrong and deserve censure. I don't really care to argue either way as far as measuring equivalence between them. I have no idea what his politics are or what other heinous things he may or may not have done which are supposed to justify (c).
How sure are you that (b) really happened? I read the Vox piece you highlighted, and it had a lot of hyperlinks to cite most of their claims, but that assertion was strangely hyperlink free.
07-03-2019 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
among other problems, you probably shouldn't omit the punching and kicking that marked up his face (and were filmed) that hospitalized him

I don't think this adds credibility to your claims i post in bad faith and have no idea what i'm talking about
post the video.

in the 40 second video he posted, he got kicked a single time on his leg(which i did miss), there were 0 punches and nothing came close to hitting his face.
07-03-2019 , 03:26 PM
07-03-2019 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang
The fact that people are willing to defend this group, who cover their faces and commits violent acts in the streets is mind boggling but alarmingly not surprising at all.
He probably doesn’t care too much what I think, so take it FWIW, but Slighted is taking a big hit in my personal power rankings for his posting in this thread.

His position is basically the equivalent of “if she didn’t want to be raped she shouldn’t have worn that dress and acted so slutty” victim blaming.
07-03-2019 , 03:30 PM
hey morphipus i know you're trying to be funny and sometimes you even get there, but can you stop the zero content spamming itt for now?
07-03-2019 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
Is Ngo a conservative though? I only read the vox headline

Also here is the moral standard of a vox "journalist" (activist)

https://twitter.com/gaywonk/status/1130862813713502210

A hot take from huffpo




https://twitter.com/stillgray/status...31940170719232

https://twitter.com/jtLOL/status/1146058107254190080
Maybe you should do more than read a headline.
07-03-2019 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
He probably doesn’t care too much what I think, so take it FWIW, but Slighted is taking a big hit in my personal power rankings for his posting in this thread.

His position is basically the equivalent of “if she didn’t want to be raped she shouldn’t have worn that dress and acted so slutty” victim blaming.
no it most definitely is no my position. that isn't even a close to apt analogy. i posted an actual analogy further up in the thread.

my position is that he specifically went looking for trouble and found it. and that battery is absolutely a crime and should be prosecuted. the protesters should not have committed battery, but he should have absolutely been shamed and verbally told to go **** himself.
07-03-2019 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
no it most definitely is no my position. that isn't even a close to apt analogy. i posted an actual analogy further up in the thread.

my position is that he specifically went looking for trouble and found it. and that battery is absolutely a crime and should be prosecuted. the protesters should not have committed battery, but he should have absolutely been shamed and verbally told to go **** himself.
So you have the same position when CNN sends reporters to Trump rallies? And you approve of any verbal harassment they receive as long as it doesn’t get physical?
07-03-2019 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
post the video.

in the 40 second video he posted, he got kicked a single time on his leg(which i did miss), there were 0 punches and nothing came close to hitting his face.
I saw a video where he gets punched in the face once.
07-03-2019 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
Ngo is not a "proud boy", a conservative, aggressive, or threatening

Are you sure this was a "proud boy" event? If it was a "proud boy" event would showing up with weapons and your face covered and attacking a photo journalist (or 3) be self defense or showing up with the intention to commit violence in accordance with a history of violent behavior?

Please be aware that I'm not going to respond to many of your posts. A lot of the time it is just beyond an eye roll to read what you write. If you happen formulate something interesting or tee up something I find interesting, it will happen but many of your posts don't meet that standard
I think that the assault on Ngo was clearly wrong and people on the left are wrong not to condemn it. On the other hand, you seem to have created this thread with essentially no knowledge of what happened beyond that Ngo was assaulted.

For starters, Ngo very clearly is a conservative (or at least strongly right wing) - having previously worked with Breitbart, having an AMA on r/the_donald, and having written a completely absurd op-ed in the WSJ titled "A Visit to Islamic England".

Secondly this was very publicly advertised as a Proud Boys event - Ngo himself posted about it prior to it happening on twitter.

If you're going to start a thread and a genuine attempt to have a conversation about antifa it's a good idea to have at least a basic understanding of the event that caused you to start the thread.

On the more general topic of antifa and less specifically about this one event, I personally am opposed to violence in pretty much all forms so am not a fan of antifa's violent approach to their counter-protests. However comparisons between antifa and the alt-right/white supremacists are absurd. To my knowledge there has not been a single person killed by someone claiming to be a part of/motivated by antifa and while I don't agree with their manner of protest, drawing equivalencies to actual terrorist groups like neo-nazis and white supremacists is essentially just a bad attempt at whataboutism.

Last edited by Willd; 07-03-2019 at 03:52 PM.
07-03-2019 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
How sure are you that (b) really happened? I read the Vox piece you highlighted, and it had a lot of hyperlinks to cite most of their claims, but that assertion was strangely hyperlink free.
I read the Vox piece and there is not one but 2 hyperlinks (including one directly to his tweet where he names the person) specifically about the doxxing claim. What the hell were you reading?
07-03-2019 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
So you have the same position when CNN sends reporters to Trump rallies? And you approve of any verbal harassment they receive as long as it doesn’t get physical?
sure, why not. i doubt cnn will try to disrupt the rally like ngo did, by walking back through the march in the middle of the street..

i'm also fine with tucker carlson and huckabee and people not being able to eat dinner in public without being told they are pieces of crap. they shouldn't spit, like the alleged eric trump thing, because that's a battery. if you don't want bad press then dont do bad things.

im also fine with people protesting abortion clinics in a legal way or the westboro baptist church protests. they are crap human beings but they are allowed those rights.

if you dont break the law you should be free to express your displeasure however you want.
07-03-2019 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
He writes for National Review and Quillette, gtfo with this “he’s not conservative” tack.
It’s even worse than this, he’s an editor at Quillet.

      
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