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04-19-2020 , 11:02 AM

#2926

Kelhus100

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

antifa supports good things like democracy and socialism. they oppose bad things like inequality and fascism.

Do they really? How has antifa contributed to decreasing inequality and fascism? From what I can tell, in practice they actually contribute to it, insomuch as they provide a useful foil for the Fox News crowd to get their proletariats to support the oligarchs.

I noticed you ignored my post when I said this before, but you really should think a little deeper who is really benefitting from all the antifa-Proud Boys cosplay. it certainly isn't the working classes.

04-19-2020 , 12:13 PM

#2927

Max Cut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by frizbeeedog

Good point. What fascists are you referring to? Be specific. Those people walking down the street? Those people filming their atrocious behavior? I don’t get the masks and the anonymity. Not sure they even know what they are trying to accomplish. They’re just street thugs.

Stop basing your opinion on Ngo videos. He is a known fabricator.

Proud Boys, Nazis, Ben Shapiro, and whatnot. Did you know our country has a strong anti-fascist history that includes actually killing fascists by the thousands to defend against them taking over the world? You're more concerned about some occasional aggressive protest shouting and window breaking than actual ****ing fascist groups because you watched some propagandist's youtube?

04-19-2020 , 12:59 PM

#2928

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelhus100

OK, what are you doing instead?

04-19-2020 , 01:40 PM

#2929

Huehuecoyotl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by frizbeeedog

I don’t have a red team blue team side. I think our government is a major corrupt mess. Antifa and it’s actions do nothing to change that, in fact they probably are gift to republicans. You should think about what is right and what is wrong, maybe you can improve your life.

So are you one of the supporters of antifa? Are you so good being a keyboard revolutionary. lol I bet you have a Che Guevara t-shirt too.

Go ahead defend these cowardly idiots.

I don't think I've ever owned any anti capitalist shirt much less a Che Guevara shirt. I did read the Motorcycle Diaries and watched the movie. Not impressed with the book. Movie was alright though.

04-19-2020 , 01:42 PM

#2930

joe6pack

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Imagine defending a bunch of cowardly rejects who go around whacking law abiding members of the public on the head. And then imagine calling that fighting fascism. Yet here we are.

04-19-2020 , 02:10 PM

#2931

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Originally Posted by joe6pack

Imagine defending a bunch of cowardly rejects who go around whacking law abiding members of the public on the head. And then imagine calling that fighting fascism. Yet here we are.

Imagine making things up about people who are against fascism. Imagine hating freedom that much.

04-19-2020 , 02:39 PM

#2932

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joe6pack

Imagine defending a bunch of cowardly rejects who go around whacking law abiding members of the public on the head. And then imagine calling that fighting fascism. Yet here we are.

Imagine running to the defense of the group of cowardly rejects who rammed a crowded pack of people with a car, killing a woman.

I dunno, in my book, whacking and milkshake throwing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> car murder.

But maybe Joe is just a fan of car murder. Maybe he gets his jollies like that guy in the movie Crash.

04-19-2020 , 04:02 PM

#2933

joe6pack

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

LOL. This post is so mind numbingly stupid that I'm actually quite impressed. I've seen some weird irrational logic used in these forums, but this is probably one of the weirdest.

Congratulations.

04-19-2020 , 04:03 PM

#2934

Kelhus100

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

OK, what are you doing instead?

Certainly no one is making the case that I am fighting fascism. I am just saying IMO antifa isn't either. They are part of the magic show the fascists use to distract and control us.

04-19-2020 , 04:22 PM

#2935

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelhus100

Certainly no one is making the case that I am fighting fascism. I am just saying IMO antifa isn't either. They are part of the magic show the fascists use to distract and control us.

You seem to have rested your case on the fact that they are used as foils on Fox News. What legitimate anti-fascist activities would not or could not be used in that way?

04-19-2020 , 04:38 PM

#2936

Kelhus100

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

You seem to have rested your case on the fact that they are used as foils on Fox News. What legitimate anti-fascist activities would not or could not be used in that way?

Well, you would hope for something that actually as a net positive. I would say Antifa does little to no contribution towards fighting fascism, but are very useful as foils. Big net negative.

Even Black Lives Matter spurred some reform to the criminal justice system. I personally think Black Lives Matter has had a more negative than positive impact, but at least you could make an argument.

Other than abstractions and platitudes, I don't even know how you could make an argument Antifa has accomplished anything constructive.

04-19-2020 , 04:43 PM

#2937

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelhus100

Well, you would hope for something that actually as a net positive.

OK, like what?

Quote:

I would say Antifa does little to no contribution towards fighting fascism, but are very useful as foils. Big net negative.

Even Black Lives Matter spurred some reform to the criminal justice system. I personally think Black Lives Matter has had a more negative than positive impact, but at least you could make an argument.

Other than abstractions and platitudes, I don't even know how you could make an argument Antifa has accomplished anything constructive.

Also, the comparison is not to a hypothetical where nothing happened. The comparison is to a world where fascists march free from any opposition, or one where police officers kill unarmed black people without incident.

04-19-2020 , 04:51 PM

#2938

Kelhus100

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Congress just passed a "relief" bill that mainly just enriches the top .1%. Fighting/protesting this kind of stuff is how you really fight inequality.

Throwing milkshakes at Andy Ngo and beating up Proud Boys when they march in Portland is just a giant distraction that accomplishes nothing (except making yourself a useful foil for the opposition and distraction from the real fleecing of the public). Just part of the magic show.

04-19-2020 , 05:04 PM

#2939

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelhus100

It depends. If the number of marchers would remain small then just ignoring them would be best but tghe risk is that they would grow, become emboldened and could become a force that could be dangerously co-opted by some political leader at some point.

Last edited by chezlaw; 04-19-2020 at 05:23 PM.

04-19-2020 , 05:05 PM

#2940

MrWookie

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Fighting wealth inequality is meritorious, but that doesn't mean we have to let the Proud Boys have their way, either. You completely dodged the second point.

04-19-2020 , 10:11 PM

#2941

Kelhus100

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Fighting wealth inequality is meritorious, but that doesn't mean we have to let the Proud Boys have their way, either. You completely dodged the second point.

I don't know what the second point even is. But not too important. I made my argument. Cosplay parties with proud boys, throwing milkshakes at gay Asian immigrants, stealing groceries, rioting outside speeches made by nebbish Orthodox Jews, and holding up traffic isn't moving the needle much in the fight against fascism; and their utility is mainly as a foil to get the Fox News crowd riled up.

04-19-2020 , 10:22 PM

#2942

MrWookie

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OK. Wealth inequality isn't the only manifestation of fascism these days. We also have Jim Crow-esque groups parading around shouting messages of direct racial oppression and violence. Should these people be opposed, or should they march unopposed? Because that is the choice, not between no marches and marches, but between an unopposed march and an opposed one?

04-19-2020 , 10:30 PM

#2943

spanktehbadwookie

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They talk about the nazi punchers but leave out the ethnic cleansing bits. They leave out even less than half the story.

04-19-2020 , 10:35 PM

#2944

Huehuecoyotl

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Antifa has done more to help Americans during the pandemic than joe6pack. Look I didn't want to say it but it's true.

04-19-2020 , 10:40 PM

#2945

joe6pack

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Antifa has done more to help Americans during the pandemic than joe6pack. Look I didn't want to say it but it's true.

Really. How's that?

04-19-2020 , 10:41 PM

#2946

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

He won't come out and say it, but he would prefer that they march unopposed, literally and figuratively.

04-19-2020 , 10:50 PM

#2947

Huehuecoyotl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joe6pack

Really. How's that?

Antifa's been making hand sanitizer

Quote:

“It is actually quite a bit of a side-step from our usual mission,” Baum said. “However, as we’ve seen with this pandemic, everybody has had to make really drastic changes in their life ... and for PopMob, what we normally do isn’t feasible. We are very active about being anti-fascist and encouraging people to be everyday anti-fascists, and a big part of anti-fascism is community defense and supporting your community. This was a way to provide supplies to communities who had no other way of getting them.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ore...outputType=amp

Do you have any newspapers writing about your work during the pandemic?