So Antifa is back in the news. The polarizing reaction to this would be surprising if you haven't been following how morally bankrupt and ideologically radical the public and the media have become

I think there's a lot of different aspects to this are interesting. The biased and ideologically driven media coverage

The mirroring of violent outbursts from incels

The mirror of far left and right ideology resulting in intolerance escalating to violence

The number of people accepting and sympathetic to a group of violent thugs who love marxism (generally)

A mayor sitting back and watching masked thugs regularly becoming violent and escalating. If anyone watched what happened at Evergreen, this seems like a similar leadership situation

Juan, There are good people on both sides.

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Plus, you also have some very fine people on both sides

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I'm talking about people who went because they felt very strongly

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is mischaracterizing trumps description of the people not carrying torches (who oppose statues being torn down) your attempt at being funny or are you just spamming thoughtless nonsense?

Note: We can talk about antifa. We're not going to talk about Charlottesville in this thread, because it didn't go so well last time.

Say Antifa three times and they'll appear and get you

I'm gone anyways well said

Won't partake any further in at his joke

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I noticed by both volume and content of your posting that you really care about social dysfunction, oppression, and violence committed against the innocent

Your flippant remark seems oddly out of place here

You think this is going well?

AFAIK the recent blow up is about Andy Ngo being attacked by some antifa member at some event, as described here. Note I'm not endorsing this article by way of editorial content, it's just a convenient link for some of the basic details, in case you were wondering.

For a different perspective, see also Vox

And for one more: Jesse Singal (a writer for the Atlantic)

There's a lot of space in between "well" and "gets the forum shut down" :P

The thing about Antifa is, it is really weird. Imagine if you were an alien coming to Earth, and you just monitor the airwaves, and we sent someone to instruct the alien on whats up. Here is how I envision the conversation.

Alien: Ok...So if I understand this worlds, or this subset of the world, rules right, you are allowed to speak up with what you want, even though this might be in total disagreement with what others/majority/whomever might say/think?

Human: You got it!! Free Speech!!

Alien: Ok....so these people attacking them are clearly way in the wrong....right?

Human: Heck no!! They are Antifa.

Alien: How do you know? What makes them any better than any garden variety space thug?

Human: Well.....because if we don't support mask wearing terrorists, that means we are fascists.

Alien: And being a fascist is bad? What do they do that is so bad?

Human: Easy....They promote and do violence against people who don't look, act, or think like them.

Alien: I can see now I need to exterminate your entire population.

professional agitator got a milkshake thrown at him.

people got run over by a car and someone died.

mirroring conduct according to juan.

Antifa seems like a bunch of dorks cosplaying revolutionaries. I think their potential for carnage, at least at a national level, is quite small.

Anti-fascism isn’t a conformity group. Anti-fascism has no partisan hierarchy and has no duty to obey any.

Partisan hierarchy groups can adopt anti-fascist stances and take anti-fascist actions. But they ain’t boss of anti-fascism for doing so, and no one has to obey any accordance of association with anti-fascism in reference to any of their set examples.

Mayors, media and fascists don’t have to like it.

Is Ngo a conservative though? I only read the vox headline

Also here is the moral standard of a vox "journalist" (activist)

https://twitter.com/gaywonk/status/1130862813713502210

A hot take from huffpo




https://twitter.com/stillgray/status...31940170719232

https://twitter.com/jtLOL/status/1146058107254190080

That the Proud Boys continuously march in order to look for fights isn't some hot take. That's what they do.

There is truth to this imo. I just saw an ex antifa member from the uk observe the same thing. It looks like a lot of this is driven by angry dorks larping

Check out the video/cnn piece. It seems like a delusional nerd in some fantasy action world where she has this dangerous life and carries weapons. She even talks about picking up and body slamming men. lol yeah i'm sure that happened there ronda rousey

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...ifa-terrorists

All I know about Andy Ngo is that

a) According to Singal, he writes a lot about antifa
b) he doxxed an antifa member or some other protestor once in the past
c) he was attacked recently

For me (b) and (c) are both wrong and deserve censure. I don't really care to argue either way as far as measuring equivalence between them. I have no idea what his politics are or what other heinous things he may or may not have done which are supposed to justify (c).

I'd feel worse about antifa if I didn't know an awful lot about hate crimes in the US and the long history of street violence as a standard tactic of the far right.

Not to mention the fact that the only reason that brown shirt style antisemitism didn't gain more traction in the 20's and 30's in the US was the fact that it was suppressed (violently) by the Jewish half of organized crime.

I'm sorry but every time I hear some Nazi crying about antifa suppressing his free speech I find it truly hilarious. The hypocrisy is stunning. God forbid someone use a watered down version of their own tactics against them. Most of the talk about the evil antifa is the back half of a whataboutism imo.

"the proud boys" weren't mentioned or even implied in your previous post. So is this some sort of equivalency? like its bad that "the proud boys" do this but when antifa does it you get defensive?

if you don't like this type of behavior you could just come out and describe what you dislike about antifa (the thread topic). Your original comment was just a really weird way to do that

the Ngo incident was at a proud boys event.. the proud boys hold these events to try and start fights and then claim victim..

your JAQ'ing off thing is getting old if you dont even read the articles nor are you informed about the things you are posting.

what would you describe the quality of journalism that calls him conservative if he isn't conservative though? It's the headline. Would it be a convenient mistake? (these are rhetorical in case it wasn't clear)

I'm just going off of memory but the claims of doxxing are hyperbole iirc. That can be looked up but is outing someone committing a crime doxxing? I forget the actual details but I think the line between reporting and doxxing are conveniently being blurred.

He writes for National Review and Quillette, gtfo with this “he’s not conservative” tack.