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09-29-2023 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
again, you dont know what random means.


Again, its not accepted everywhere. You can ignore the people you are referring to saying youre wrong, but that doesnt mean your right. It certainly isnt accepted everywhere. Maybe everywhere around some white people.

I mean use your brain. How could people that have been here for thousands of years have any origins related to someone who came 400 years ago?

do you think that the biased information you receive in work training is the best available information?
https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/...0they%20prefer.

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American Indian, Indian, Native American, or Native are acceptable and often used interchangeably in the United States; however, Native Peoples often have individual preferences on how they would like to be addressed. To find out which term is best, ask the person or group which term they prefer.
You should write these people a letter.

Regardless, I am done with this line of discussion.
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09-29-2023 , 11:45 AM
why did you quote an institution that is ran by the white man?
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09-29-2023 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
why did you quote an institution that is ran by the white man?
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...e#post58277761

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...e#post58184187

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...e#post57988987

Why did you use the term native americans?
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09-29-2023 , 11:51 AM
09-29-2023 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
why did you quote an institution that is ran by the white man?
https://www.si.edu/newsdesk/releases...eum%20director.

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Cynthia Chavez Lamar has been named director of the Smithsonian’s National Museum of the American Indian, effective Feb. 14. She is the first Native woman to be named as a Smithsonian museum director. Chavez Lamar has been at the museum most recently since 2014, and earlier in her career was a museum intern (1994) and later an associate curator (2000–2005). She is currently the museum’s acting associate director for collections and operations. Chavez Lamar is an accomplished curator, author and scholar whose research interests are focused on Southwest Native art and the methodologies and practices involved in collaborating with Indigenous communities.
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09-29-2023 , 11:59 AM
because I dont care enough to use the other terms, I feel like it sounds cringe when I say it as if I am wanting extra attention. This is because of people like you that think native american is proper and its also because of people like me that should speak up more. I should fix that.
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09-29-2023 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
who do you think named her? I could be wrong ofc, is this smithsonian ran/owned by indigenous people?
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09-29-2023 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
because I dont care enough to use the other terms, I feel like it sounds cringe when I say it as if I am wanting extra attention. This is because of people like you that think native american is proper and its also because of people like me that should speak up more. I should fix that.
I'll use whatever term I think is acceptable to the largest groups of people(from that group) and make best efforts to use language that groups want me to use. Based on everything I seen, it's a fine term.


Good luck in your efforts, but I won't be changing without some sources off of this site.
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09-29-2023 , 12:53 PM
Wow, this is getting tiresome. It's clear that Native American is an acceptable term, though some people referred to by that prefer other terms for themselves. Pointlesswords uses the term themselves despite scolding others for doing the same, so this seems like an argument just to have an argument.
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09-29-2023 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Wow, this is getting tiresome. It's clear that Native American is an acceptable term, though some people referred to by that prefer other terms for themselves. Pointlesswords uses the term themselves despite scolding others for doing the same, so this seems like an argument just to have an argument.
one rule that PointlessWords and everyone else on the forum must follow is that they can never change a position or evolve in any way. this ofc is easier for some than others.
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09-29-2023 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Wow, this is getting tiresome. It's clear that Native American is an acceptable term, though some people referred to by that prefer other terms for themselves. Pointlesswords uses the term themselves despite scolding others for doing the same, so this seems like an argument just to have an argument.
I know this is going to blow your mind but I often use words I shouldn’t use. I am working on most of it, some of it I’m not.
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09-29-2023 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Wow, this is getting tiresome. It's clear that Native American is an acceptable term, though some people referred to by that prefer other terms for themselves. Pointlesswords uses the term themselves despite scolding others for doing the same, so this seems like an argument just to have an argument.
Can you explain how that is clear to you? Based on the convo above, the opposite is clear to me. Perhaps I missed something?
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09-29-2023 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
one rule that PointlessWords and everyone else on the forum must follow is that they can never change a position or evolve in any way. this ofc is easier for some than others.
It's that the reasoning PW gave? No, it was this:

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
because I dont care enough to use the other terms
He doesn't (present tense) care enough to use other words himself but cares if others don't. He probably should have consulted with you before that post to come up with your better excuse.
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09-29-2023 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl_TheOG_Marx
I hope that one of these days YOU will break character, from your constant corny and pointless snippy one-liner "owns", to your pretending that being a centrist type means that you're above the nasty partisan bickering others enjoy.

Leave politics to actual thinkers and get back on the country club golf course where you belong.
I do agree I belong there, but sadly I'm not a member of a country club and have to play at a public course with the unwashed masses.
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09-29-2023 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
It's that the reasoning PW gave? No, it was this:



He doesn't (present tense) care enough to use other words himself but cares if others don't. He probably should have consulted with you before that post to come up with your better excuse.
I can tell reading comprehension is not your strong suit
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10-01-2023 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl_TheOG_Marx
Chile
I think this needs underlining.

I don't know how much it's common knowledge in the USA the extent to which you guys ****ed with their country. American-owned Copper companies were not happy about Allende, a popularly-democratically-elected socialist leader, nationalising the copper mines in response to economic hardships leading to his election. The copper companies lobbied the american government to undo that ****. So they helped factions of the Chilean army lead a fairly violent and murderous coup even by south american standards and instantiated General Pinochet. They did things like dropping dissidents out of helicopters into the sea, made public spectacles of hangings and murders in order to intimidate opposition, and reorganised the economy in order to prioritise capital. They changed the constitution to such a degree that even since Pinochet left office they've struggled to regain power of their own economy. This was all funded by the USA, for the sakes of mining interests. For me, the most egregious example of interfering with foreign politics in the 20th century. The scale of the tragedy is gigantic.
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10-01-2023 , 02:28 PM
Same **** in Argentina too. We will coup whoever we want.

Although I don't know if US involvement in SE Asia counts as an example of interfering with foreign politics. Because that was pretty bad too!
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