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I can’t imagine how much a terrified pussy you need to be to call yourself conservative.

living in the suburbs buying yeti coolers and rage watching fox to be told who to blame for everything you don’t like about the world.

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09-21-2020 , 01:09 PM

#153

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Originally Posted by OneShotToLive

As someone in a state that your types don’t care about, I’m very happy there is an electoral college. I’m not really interested in California deciding elections, they can’t even take care of their own state it’s embarrassing. If everyone in America voted and was educated enough to not just click buttons sure, get rid of the electoral college, but that’s not what happens.

You wouldn't want California Republicans to help decided the election?

Also I live in a state that you think my type doesn't care about

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09-21-2020 , 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

1. EVERY law "forces a belief" on somebody.

2. EVERY law is enforced by violence.

3. #1 and #2 are true whatever the motivation of a law's proponents.

4. The Black Churches were the great power base for the Civil Rights movement. Don't recall anyone screaming "separation of church and state" over that movement.

5. Religion influences culture which influences politics.

4--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rican_churches

Why moan over lofty concepts when you can just skip right to fire and bombs to get your point across? What message do you think those people have been trying to send?

How much more are you willing to pay in taxes to investigate every miscarriage etc as a potential murder?? Seems like that could get pretty spendy.

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09-21-2020 , 01:15 PM

#155

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Originally Posted by wet work

How much more are you willing to pay in taxes to investigate every miscarriage etc as a potential murder?? Seems like that could get pretty spendy.

Maybe some sort of trial by ordeal could streamline the process and expedite matters.

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09-21-2020 , 01:19 PM

#156

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Originally Posted by lagtight

"Reproductive Rights= Killing unborn babies" is not an analogy. It is a literally true.

Letting others (regardless if it’s by the state, government or people) take control of the reproduction system of a woman is literally slavery ......What’s next after ?

Especially when it’s based on a ideology from a man in the sky we never saw .

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09-21-2020 , 01:26 PM

#157

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Both parties like law and order when it suits their purposes.

Yup but démocrates still respect it when he doesn’t make them happy .....

Debts was a big evil during Obama but once a republican is president , making 1 trillion more in deficit than its predecessor it’s fine.
During election year we cant nominee a Supreme Court justice while Obama president but now a republican president that concept disappears again .
President must respect the congress during Obama presidency while trump did evrything in his power to pass by congress ...

On and on and on ......

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09-21-2020 , 01:31 PM

#158

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Sorry, I was unclear.

Using my flu vaccine example, if I believe that flu vaccines should be taken by everyone, I am only FORCING my belief on a person if a law REQUIRES them to ACT on my belief.

It doesn't matter if they AGREE that my belief is true or not.

Someone believe driving under influence is not dangerous , what is your argument about this law ?
Is it a belief and if not why ?

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09-21-2020 , 01:43 PM

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Birth control is part of reproductive rights, and that doesn't kill any unborn babies.

True.

But, typically when the phrase "reproductive rights" is used, it is in the context of abortion rights.

In the broad sense of the term, virtually everyone favours reproductive rights.

The devil, as they say, is in the details (literally, in the case of abortion).

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09-21-2020 , 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Forced birth is de facto slavery.

Not if the intercourse that produced the pregnancy was voluntary, in my opinion.

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09-21-2020 , 01:52 PM

#161

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Originally Posted by lagtight

True.

But, typically when the phrase "reproductive rights" is used, it is in the context of abortion rights.

In the broad sense of the term, virtually everyone favours reproductive rights.

You are dead wrong.

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09-21-2020 , 01:54 PM

#162

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Not if the intercourse that produced the pregnancy was voluntary, in my opinion.

How nice of you to have this opinion, as one who'll never have to endure the difficulties of pregnancy and childbirth. It literally kills people with appreciable frequency.

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09-21-2020 , 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wet work

I'm glad we all agree that looting, bombing and burning buildings down is evil.

How can we get the thugs destroying neighborhoods throughout the country to agree with us?

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09-21-2020 , 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp

Who is this "man in the sky" that slighted, d2_d4, and you are referring to?

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09-21-2020 , 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp

1. As a "deficit hawk", I think that our national debt is a disgrace. Republicans had six years controlling both houses of Congress while Bush 2 was President, yet the debt still skyrocketed. Neither party cares about the debt.

2. The Senate should have had a confirmation hearing for Garland.

3. Both parties are awful.

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09-21-2020 , 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Who is this "man in the sky" that slighted, d2_d4, and you are referring to?

Do you honestly think this act where you play stupid makes your positions look better?

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09-21-2020 , 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp

Someone believe driving under influence is not dangerous , what is your argument about this law ?

Is it a belief and if not why ?

Drunk driving should be against the law.

Edit:My belief that drunk drivers should be punished is based on my "macro" belief that innocent life should be protected.

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09-21-2020 , 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Who is this "man in the sky" that slighted, d2_d4, and you are referring to?

Nice diversion !
But letting others taking control of your body without your Own consent is basically slavery ...
Thx for agreeing ....or give me another term to define that situation ?

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09-21-2020 , 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

You seem to disagree that republicans don’t uphold the same tolerance towards the law as democrats do.

Another blatantly example is what they try to do with bill Clinton .
When you compare bill and Donald about impeachment their presidency is incredibile not on the same level either ....

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09-21-2020 , 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Drunk driving should be against the law.

Edit:My belief that drunk drivers should be punished is based on my "macro" belief that innocent life should be protected.

so it’s not about being proven that drunk driving actually make you more dangerous on the road but more it’s about belief that it protect life ?

About guns law than , with that same thought process ?
Seem only the beliefs of something is sufficient , regardless if true or not based on facts ?

So what his your stance on guns ?

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09-21-2020 , 03:32 PM

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I'm glad we all agree that looting, bombing and burning buildings down is evil.

How can we get the thugs destroying neighborhoods throughout the country to agree with us?

Well, keeping them locked in an economically disadvantaged position and pinned down in ghettos devoid of any real of hope of ever getting out for generations punctuated by terror campaigns of various sorts probably wasn't the best idea if the goal was for good things to happen.

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09-21-2020 , 03:36 PM

#172

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Originally Posted by nucleardonkey

Bolded is a bad system.

Italicized is a myth taught in school. USA is not even conceived as a democracy. Certainly is not a democracy.

Well, in hindsight yeah, it may be a bad system.

But we're a democracy. Not a direct democracy but we do elect representatives so......

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09-21-2020 , 04:05 PM

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Memes aside, the Nazi government did institute a number of social programs

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When, in January 1933, Hitler became chancellor, the Nazis quickly began work-creation and infrastructure programmes. They exhorted business to take on workers, and doled out credit. Germany’s economy rebounded and unemployment figures improved dramatically: German unemployment fell from almost 6 million in early 1933 to 2.4 million by the end of 1934; by 1938, Germany essentially enjoyed full employment. By the end of the 1930s, the government was controlling decisions about economic production, investment, wages and prices. Public spending was growing spectacularly.

Nazi Germany remained capitalist. But it had also undertaken state intervention in the economy unprecedented in capitalist societies. The Nazis also supported an extensive welfare state (of course, for ‘ethnically pure’ Germans). It included free higher education, family and child support, pensions, health insurance and an array of publically supported entertainment and vacation options. All spheres of life, economy included, had to be subordinated to the ‘national interest’ (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz), and the fascist commitment to foster social equality and mobility. Radical meritocratic reforms are not usually thought of as signature Nazi measures, but, as Hitler once noted, the Third Reich has ‘opened the way for every qualified individual – whatever his origins – to reach the top if he is qualified, dynamic, industrious and resolute’.

Hitler wasn't exactly a free market capitalist either. The Nazis instituted a 50% profit tax on German corporations to fund these programs (as well as their re-armament of course). He also funded/invented the Volkswagen (though not a single one was ever delivered).

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09-21-2020 , 04:14 PM

#174

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Originally Posted by Wittgenheiny

Memes aside, the Nazi government did institute a number of social programs

Hitler wasn't exactly a free market capitalist either. The Nazis instituted a 50% profit tax on German corporations to fund these programs (as well as their re-armament of course). He also funded/invented the Volkswagen (though not a single one was ever delivered).

Right, because of their aligned ideologies and political goals, the National Socialists and the Socialists were natural allies, and eventually they joined forces in what became the unified Nazi party.

Oh wait, that's not what happened. The Socialists got executed in concentration camps.

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09-21-2020 , 04:25 PM

#175

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If only there were a recent thread where all this horseshit already got debunked. If only.

Oh, looky here! https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...alist-1775569/

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