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Old 09-19-2020, 08:16 PM   #26
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tolerance of what? millions of people being discriminated against through ridiculous religious based rulings from a conservative entrenched supreme court?

tolerance of millions of women losing reproductive rights so some people can feel good about their sky man?

tolerance for concentration camps of immigrants where thousands of women are given forced hysterectomies?

tolerance for millions of people losing health insurance because one of the first cases the new court will be deciding on involves the ACA?

yeah no thanks man.
Ok keep fighting for your dictatorship then, I suppose.
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Old 09-19-2020, 08:16 PM   #27
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That's an odd one, because he was nominated in 2010 and
Merrick Garland is going to be super surprised to hear that he was nominated in 2010.
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Old 09-19-2020, 08:20 PM   #28
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if you're saying the "respect" for democracy should just be not to say you want a civil war, im fine with that..

but if/when the dems take over i would want DRASTIC actions and think a majority of people would support them(DEMOCRACY)..

things like, statehood for dc/pr, an end to "for life" appointments(i would prefer a single 18yr term with no repeat rotating so one justice is up every two years), 3 term limit on senators, bans on congress people becoming lobbyists, legislation to limit money in elections, working towards ending the electoral college
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Old 09-19-2020, 08:23 PM   #29
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Goofy's been told repeatedly why I limit my interactions with him and others... But he continues to lie about my motivations. I believe goofy is a toxic narcissist who's incapable of intellectual honesty. That's why I limit my interactions with him and others.
This is a lie, of course. You've been responding to my posts all afternoon. You stop responding when the going gets too tough, because you're an admitted snowflake who can't answer hard questions. To try (and fail) to avoid looking dumb, you invent reasons like "WAHHHH TOXIC QUESTION" for simple questions like "What did he do, why did he do it, and why is it equivalent?" instead of just admitting you're making up bullshit. It's the same cycle every single time.
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Old 09-19-2020, 08:36 PM   #30
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Ok keep fighting for your dictatorship then, I suppose.
If the dictatorship holds elections wouldn't we be respecting democracy to let it continue?
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Old 09-19-2020, 08:50 PM   #31
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Merrick Garland is going to be super surprised to hear that he was nominated in 2010.
My bad; he was considered in 2010.
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Old 09-19-2020, 08:52 PM   #32
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if you're saying the "respect" for democracy should just be not to say you want a civil war, im fine with that..

but if/when the dems take over i would want DRASTIC actions and think a majority of people would support them(DEMOCRACY)..

things like, statehood for dc/pr, an end to "for life" appointments(i would prefer a single 18yr term with no repeat rotating so one justice is up every two years), 3 term limit on senators, bans on congress people becoming lobbyists, legislation to limit money in elections, working towards ending the electoral college
That's their prerogative when it happens. Republicans should respect it too.
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Old 09-19-2020, 09:26 PM   #33
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The thing is the dems would do exactly the same thing in exactly the same spot and to say they wouldn't is just laughably bad.
no they wouldnt. nor have they in they past. but thats just bc they suck at this game and in general agree with most of what the Repubs do.
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Old 09-19-2020, 09:31 PM   #34
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Ok keep fighting for your dictatorship then, I suppose.
having health care is dictatorship? not having concentration camps is dictatorship?

I gotta admit, I am not logician like Wittgenstein but I really want to learn. can you walk me through it?
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Old 09-19-2020, 09:37 PM   #35
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Anyway, hadn't paid close attention to the OP yet:

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Trying to tear the system apart because you didn't get your way
What is this meant to argue against, exactly? I guess you saw people on Twitter talking about "the first shot fired on Fort Sumter" but I haven't seen anyone here talking about that. Did you mean to post this on your Twitter account? Who is "trying to tear the system apart" and by what means?
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Old 09-19-2020, 11:17 PM   #36
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having health care is dictatorship? not having concentration camps is dictatorship?

I gotta admit, I am not logician like Wittgenstein but I really want to learn. can you walk me through it?
+1

And about Bundt 5 , it’s so true republicans think ( obviously wrongly) democrats would act like them .

Just look in the last 50 years how different presidents acts depending on their political party ....
But magically the difference between democrats and republicans would disappeared when it’s about the electorate????

There is a tons of reason democrats wouldn’t vote for trump for example , and it’s certainly not just because is a republican but because he act like an idiot instead of like a president !

I mean seriously, do the republican base really think Trump is admired and respected by the foreign leaders of the world , beside 1-2 nutcase like benjamin netanyahu ( that’s act exactly like trump trying to escape criminal charges ...)??
That’s delusional...

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Old 09-19-2020, 11:26 PM   #37
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Why are the Libertarian, Communist, and Green parties forced to take a loss every election and for everything?
Because they have terrible ideas.
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Old 09-19-2020, 11:31 PM   #38
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Because they have terrible ideas.
And they are far far from representing the majority ....
But they believe what they think is the norm , shrug .
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Old 09-19-2020, 11:46 PM   #39
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Goofy's been told repeatedly why I limit my interactions with him and others... But he continues to lie about my motivations. I believe goofy is a toxic narcissist who's incapable of intellectual honesty. That's why I limit my interactions with him and others. They're so arrogant that they believe I owe them some sort of explanation. Along those lines MrWookie has been told why I won't answer most of his questions. But what do you know, goofy's got to lie about why I won't answer them.
Thank you for your productive contribution free from personal attacks.
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Old 09-20-2020, 12:09 AM   #40
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IHIV really just ducking the question and calling people toxic? IHIV could you please answer the question about Harry Reid? I’m being polite and civil
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Old 09-20-2020, 03:42 AM   #41
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For the life of me, I can't understand why people on both sides of the political spectrum have so much trouble respecting the institutions and processes they claim so vehemently to love.

We saw it in 2008 with Obama and the birther crap. Then we saw it in 2016 with Trump, 2018 with Kavanaugh, and now 2020 will be RBG. Neither side is immune to it.

I'm seeing on twitter and stuff a bunch of people claiming that Trump putting up a candidate for the SC is tantamount to the first shot fired on Fort Sumter. What is this nonsense? He has every right to put up a nominee. Obama had the same exact right and every president before them.

Being a part of a partisan political system means you have to take an L sometimes. Sometimes you have to take nonstop L's for 8+ years. Both parties have to deal with it. The country moves on, or at least, has historically done so.

Trying to tear the system apart because you didn't get your way is not going to result in your side winning in perpetuity. It will only result in the destruction of the system that gives you an opportunity to win once every four years.
That's only true if the system is expected to survive.

Unfortunately USA has that presidential popular vote, constitutional law of Moses, supreme court nonsense and is as brittle as ****.
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Old 09-20-2020, 03:45 AM   #42
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Goofy's been told repeatedly why I limit my interactions with him and others... But he continues to lie about my motivations. I believe goofy is a toxic narcissist who's incapable of intellectual honesty. That's why I limit my interactions with him and others. They're so arrogant that they believe I owe them some sort of explanation. Along those lines MrWookie has been told why I won't answer most of his questions. But what do you know, goofy's got to lie about why I won't answer them.
Very wise

and don't mistake the 'well you sometimes make personal attacks so there no reason to largely ignore someone who does little else' type argument for a serious point.
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Old 09-20-2020, 04:17 AM   #43
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USA is not, never has been, and was not conceived of as a democracy.
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Old 09-20-2020, 04:20 AM   #44
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and don't mistake the 'well you sometimes make personal attacks so there no reason to largely ignore someone who does little else' type argument for a serious point.
What a shocker! In the wake of RBG dying and the USA moving another step closer to full fascism, chez is siding with the guy making up bullshit about "both sides are just as bad" and defending that guy's use of personal attacks and namecalling! So unlike him!

It's almost like chez's stated opposition to namecalling has been pure theater and is really rooted in a tribal opposition to a certain group of posters he dislikes! I'm so shocked to discover this!
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Old 09-20-2020, 04:26 AM   #45
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dont be silly goofy

He is quite right to not take your posting too seriously - I definitely take his side on largely ignoring you. Don't take yourself so ludicrously seriously - your posting is not the solution to the very serious political problems and it can be safely ignored most of the time.

And I dont dislike you at all. I think it's a shame that a once fine poster has lost the plot but I understand why as politics is horrific these days. I lose it as well at times but I fight it.
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Old 09-20-2020, 04:29 AM   #46
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dont be silly goofy

He is quite to not take your posting too seriously - I definitely take his side on largely ignoring you. Don't take yourself so ludicrously seriously, your posting is not the solution to the very serious political problems - it can be safely ignored.
All of our posting can be safely ignored, including yours, this is a forum where a bunch of people bullshit each other over things we have no control over. Do you think your posting should be taken seriously? Or IHIV's?
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Old 09-20-2020, 04:34 AM   #47
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I think it's no tragedy if most posting is ignored. Including mine - feel free. Concentrating on the content can be useful at times but all the name calling, trolling and silliness is of no importance at best

That is certainly no trivialisation of the very real problems of politics.
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Concentrating on the content can be useful at times but all the name calling, trolling and silliness is of no importance at best
Yes, yes, wise words. What we usually see from posters is that they can in fact ignore that stuff and focus on the actual meat of an argument, perhaps trading some barbs of their own if they're so inclined, but certainly it can be ignored as well.

A bit funny that you'd use this as an excuse, though, to tell someone you ostensibly disagree with on the issues that they shouldn't worry about answering questions like "do you have any evidence for your claim that Democrats are equally as bad as the party leading the USA into fascism", don't you think? I agree IHIV can ignore the "silliness" and "trolling" and "namecalling" but when someone asks that question without any silliness or trolling or namecalling, aren't you getting in the way of that useful content by still telling him to ignore it?

Pretty disappointing that we can't even ask good-faith questions of right-wingers without you stepping in to defend their snowflake feelings and reassure them they shouldn't feel a need to explain their illogical defenses of fascism, tbh.
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Old 09-20-2020, 05:08 AM   #49
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Were you in favor of Republicans just taking the L when Obama nominated Merrick Garland? Did you believe that McConnell was actively complicit in destroying democracy when he refused to allow a vote on Garland's confirmation?

What is your recommended response if one side simply disregards norms?
For the record: In my opinion, Republicans should have allowed a vote on Garland.
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Old 09-20-2020, 05:11 AM   #50
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+1



republicans are know to be for laws and order, as long itís applied to others but not on them .....



When they will figured this out , the US politics will stop being non sense .
Democrats are as much in favor of law and order as Republicans.
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