Ah yes, nothing is quite so good and wholesome as black people subservient to white people.

The people in those statues lost the Civil War, but they won afterwards. They maintained their system of racial hierarchy, and they continued to exploit cheap or free (from prisoners on trumped up charges) black labor for their own profit.

Excellent points. They certainly were able to maintain their way of life, for the most part, even in humiliating defeat. I do think the humiliation and loss of honor were significant losses for the confederates. Lee, particularly, bristled at being upstaged by Grant.

Those brave people you support were dismissed as an "an angry mob" by many of their fellow country-men. It's not like everyone around them stopped and did a slow-clap. That's generally how it goes... at first you're an "an angry mob", "dangerous radicals", "irrational demonstrators", "criminals", then as history becomes the judge you will perhaps get to be something else.

And if democracy fails because someone pulls a statue over, we should probably move on to a new system of power as quickly as possible, because this one sounds fragile to the point of being useless.

Please provide a link for the Great Aunt Jemima boycott.

If there was one, it was probably from less than a month ago.

Oh ya, that's totally the reason they used to send the actors around to teach cooking classes. And they'd try to get them to spice it up a little bit with the accent and to try to sound uneducated--to round out the picture ok? Very wholesome. Until the sun goes down and you better be at one of the safe houses in town.

There was a lady on npr the other day who's grandmother was one of the traveling ones.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/20/88117...ist-stereotype

According to Wikipedia, Nancy Green was the first person to portray Aunt Jemima.

The article said that she used her platform as a spokesperson to advocate for racial equality and for fighting poverty.

OK? That doesn't mean that Aunt Jemima was somehow not a racist stereotype.

What some of the women actually did ended up being different than what they were told to do

I agree with you.

Did most black people in those days see Nancy Green as a "racist stereotype" or as a positive symbol?

From a marketing standpoint, if a portion of your actual or potential customers are offended by your logo, "The Logos Gotta Go."

Ok if we are going to dismantle racist monuments which I am all for. Lets demolish every Catholic church and remove all photos of white Jesus.

The catholics have been racist against natives, Molested Kids, discriminated against woman and the bible endorses slavery

Presumably people understand that on a scale between "Statue of Osama Bin Laden on the White House Lawn" and "Depiction of the Babylonian King Meli-Shipak II in the wing of a museum", there is an understandable difference in how we should respond to them.

So, once we accept that there is a scale, I don't see a huge issue with accepting the removal of monuments to people who fought to keep citizens' grandparents enslaved. My country had traitors when we got invaded by Nazi Germany in WW2, traitors who (among other things) organized mass murder of Jews. They also tortured members of my family, in the hunt for members of military resistance groups. If there had been a statue of them in a public square, count me in for some civil disobedience and a complete lack of sympathy for anyone who wanted to keep them.

If anything I'd say these protests you have had against these statues have been admirably civil. The anger and frustration these monuments must have caused through the generations they have been standing in public spaces has to be considerable. I think all you need to understand that is a little bit of empathy.

Other than that, it's wise to not look at history through a lens of "villains and heroes". History tends to celebrate those who got to write the history books. On the rational level, there are probably better things to fight than statues - but symbols are a powerful thing.

Like violent demolish? Why not keep the buildings and use em for something else?

I'm all for razing every church to the ground, but that has nothing to do with racism.

Mrs Butterworth is gone too? I didn't even know she was black.

She isn't .

I'm for razing all public universities to the ground, but that has nothing to do with racism.

the bottle is racist!

I know you're being funny here, but soon we might be hearing about "racist shapes".

That doesn't sound very pacificst. Just remember - every time you violate the non-aggression principle, you make baby Jesus cry.

The Democrat symbol is a donkey.

I suspect there is an ethnic minority somewhere in which "donkey" is an ethnic slur toward them.

I wouldn't raze the universities without due legal process.

Unlike some Lefties around here, I'm not big on Mob Rule.

So, destruction of property is OK under the NAP as long as you ask the courts to do it? Interesting "principle" you got there.

If the government shut off the cash flow for public universities, the buildings could be sold to the highest bidder and the money could be spent on something useful, like rebuilding the parts of cities that The Thugs burned down.