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06-11-2021 , 10:42 PM
Laws against crime only serve to punish those who are committing crimes out of desperation, be it poverty or other reason (except sex crimes). You are also providing fodder for police brutality (without illegality, you wouldn't have cops responding to people with gunfire, no brainer there) and the mass incarceration of mostly minorities. People should just be able to do what they like and face whatever comes of it.

Sorry if this should be moved to a containment thread, wasn't sure!
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06-11-2021 , 10:52 PM
This seems well thought out.

Can you foresee any problems?
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06-11-2021 , 11:09 PM
I think what OP means is that *vice* should be legal, i.e. drugs, hooking etc.

OP, I hope you are not so moronic to think that crimes of violence should be legal. But if so, cool. I will come round to your place, put a knife to your throat and take all your money and anything else I want from your place. Should that be legal?
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06-11-2021 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ejames209
Laws against crime only serve to punish those who are committing crimes out of desperation, be it poverty or other reason (except sex crimes). You are also providing fodder for police brutality (without illegality, you wouldn't have cops responding to people with gunfire, no brainer there) and the mass incarceration of mostly minorities. People should just be able to do what they like and face whatever comes of it.

Sorry if this should be moved to a containment thread, wasn't sure!
I'm all for it but what are you complaining about with the police brutality? If I can just start going postal on whom ever I don't like, how am I any better than the police and how are the minorities going to be any safer? The poor and POC would get it much worse in this day in age without law.
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06-12-2021 , 12:21 PM
OP is onto something, but it has to be done in a proper manner. Perhaps allow it for one day a year or just 12 hours for a single day each year where all crime is allowed. Perhaps a new organization should be created top help lay out the principles behind this idea, and before the 12 hour period happens people should get warnings via the Emergency Alert System.

In theory this should generate a lot of jobs and economic activity for security systems and various weapons.

If the OP wants to take this concept and build upon his libertarian fantasy then he should use it however he likes and form a more structured plan moving forward.
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06-12-2021 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I think what OP means is that *vice* should be legal, i.e. drugs, hooking etc.

OP, I hope you are not so moronic to think that crimes of violence should be legal. But if so, cool. I will come round to your place, put a knife to your throat and take all your money and anything else I want from your place. Should that be legal?
We do not know for sure but i think it is more likely TS is attempting to make a back ended attack on certain views around certain laws (such as non violent offenses) people argue should be decriminalized or other, by then suggesting why that reasoning fails if you apply to all crimes should be made legal.

A haha gotcha libz argument you see used wrongly quite often.
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06-13-2021 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
OP is onto something, but it has to be done in a proper manner. Perhaps allow it for one day a year or just 12 hours for a single day each year where all crime is allowed. Perhaps a new organization should be created top help lay out the principles behind this idea, and before the 12 hour period happens people should get warnings via the Emergency Alert System.

In theory this should generate a lot of jobs and economic activity for security systems and various weapons.

If the OP wants to take this concept and build upon his libertarian fantasy then he should use it however he likes and form a more structured plan moving forward.
It would also push people into channeling their aggression and then pushing it out of their system which in theory should leave the other 364 days crime free.
Such a scenario should be given a name to catch people on to it. Like The Push or something.
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06-13-2021 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ejames209
Laws against crime only serve to punish those who are committing crimes out of desperation, be it poverty or other reason (except sex crimes). You are also providing fodder for police brutality (without illegality, you wouldn't have cops responding to people with gunfire, no brainer there) and the mass incarceration of mostly minorities. People should just be able to do what they like and face whatever comes of it.

Sorry if this should be moved to a containment thread, wasn't sure!
So if sex crimes don't count then surely all crime shouldn't be legal?
What if a dude went around raping sex criminals in order to punish them for their sex crimes for example? Would that be an exception? Or what if an evil terrorist knew where a bomb was but refused to tell you unless you raped him right up the back door? And if you didn't do it then a load of kids or nuns or orphan kids and nuns holding a cutest puppy contest would be blown up? And you could have prevented it by giving the terrorist a sound bumming?

Also what about some forms of serial killing? Let's say someone runs a lodging house but then offs pensioners staying there in order to get their social security, or a black widow killer from an impoverished background who marries then murders various rich husbands, would that fall under desperation and poverty? Or what if some guy was going around like the Punisher killing Mafiosi and um noisy chavs? Would they be exceptions like the guy raping rapists?

I mean what you say sounds sane and reasonable until you examine the thoughtful subtleties and nuances I just outlined in a non rambling believable manner. Then it becomes a bit more complex is all.

Also if all crime was legal couldn't others declare themselves police and kidnap and imprison those they felt were dangerous to society? You gotta look at the intricacies is all.
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06-13-2021 , 10:33 AM
Well, the one benefit of libertarian fantasy worlds as presented by that dude is in them nobody would build roads, since collective effort is shunned, so the ability of people to move around would be fairly limited, thus reducing the requirements of raping terrorists to save puppies.
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06-13-2021 , 03:39 PM
What about pollution laws? Like regulations, companies dumping chemicals etc. Do those count as laws or nah?
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06-13-2021 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I think what OP means is that *vice* should be legal, i.e. drugs, hooking etc.

OP, I hope you are not so moronic to think that crimes of violence should be legal. But if so, cool. I will come round to your place, put a knife to your throat and take all your money and anything else I want from your place. Should that be legal?
What about damaging private property as part of a mass rally?
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06-13-2021 , 06:36 PM
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What about damaging private property as part of a mass rally?
Gotcha, libz!
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06-13-2021 , 06:38 PM
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What about damaging private property as part of a mass rally?
I responded to that with all the respect it deserves.
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06-13-2021 , 06:57 PM
I've seen this movie, and it ends with your neighbor killing you with a chainsaw so he can do unspeakable things to your wife. Gotta think about those unintended consequences, OP. Not just Johnny Dime Bag.

I look forward to easier access to higher resolution copies of movies for my media server, though.

Let's do it. Let's find out what 2.7 guns per citizen can really do when she's let loose on the open road. What could go wrong?
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06-13-2021 , 07:25 PM
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It would also push people into channeling their aggression and then pushing it out of their system which in theory should leave the other 364 days crime free.
Such a scenario should be given a name to catch people on to it. Like The Push or something.
Or maybe a little retro vibe like Caveman Day
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06-14-2021 , 04:02 AM
Or Pushing the Inner Caveman Out or PICO day
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06-14-2021 , 05:08 AM
Likely sarcasm of the OP aside, it forgets that modern liberal law is built on the ideal that everyone involved has rights, including the alleged criminal. While that is an ideal that does not always work and some societies do a better job of achieving those ideals than others, there haven't existed many systems that do a better job of ensuring people accused of wrongdoing aren't subjected to atrocities.

There is also the question if societies of a certain size and population density can ever be in a state of "no law". We certainly know they can collapse and exist in a state of no formal law or courts, but that tends to make what is acceptable behavior more narrow, not less narrow. I don't think an alleged thief is somehow safer in those places or were safer in historic precursors to the modern liberal system of law.
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06-14-2021 , 06:12 AM
I'd say that people already can do what they like and face whatever comes of it.

It turns out that what comes of it is that some other people group together, pool some of their money, and pay people to go round and stop them and/or lock them in a big building where they can't do it again.

Presumably that would need to be illegal in order to ensure that all crime is legal.
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06-14-2021 , 09:47 AM
To add to that: can you imagine what these racist sexist homophobic baby-eating cops would do once they don't have to follow any rules?

All dressed up and nowhere to go. Guess it's time to go shoot some poor people.

If you believe the rhetoric, this is already what 99% of them secretly want to do. They can sustain themselves off the booty collected while on the prowl. Remember Training Day? Basically a documentary of OP's thrilling new world.
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06-14-2021 , 09:50 AM
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There is also the question if societies of a certain size and population density can ever be in a state of "no law".
Prison is basically a microcosm of society. And guess what, criminals have their own laws and kangaroo courts.
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06-14-2021 , 09:52 AM
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Remember Training Day?
You know what a train is, son? Well I am gonna let those fellas up there run that on your girlfriend.
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06-15-2021 , 02:15 AM
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Prison is basically a microcosm of society. And guess what, criminals have their own laws and kangaroo courts.
What about street justice?
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06-15-2021 , 06:22 AM
I enjoyed Training Day and am therefore warming to this idea.
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06-15-2021 , 07:19 AM
"Under Siege 2: Dark Territory" does feature Steven Seagal bringing street justice on a train, and it was all justified, so that certainly helps with the OP's stellar idea. Of course, I cannot think of any other film that might capture it in such a manner, so he may want to consider writing a film treatment with his hot idea.
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