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Ahmaud Arbery Killing -- 3 Guilty of Murder Ahmaud Arbery Killing -- 3 Guilty of Murder

05-10-2020 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
lol. it was definitely racially motivated. wtf are you even talking about. they certainly dont chase a random white dude down and try and unlawfully detain him for walking around a construction site.

i agree that the alleged trespassing is entirely irrelevant to the murder. the two idiots defense will obviously try and link them and the public should avoid helping them do that.

but to try and say this case isn't about race is ridiculous. it's the exact behavior you accuse everyone on here of extended to the opposite degree, trying ludicrously hard to remove the obvious from the equation.
Think what you will, but if white person ended up dead, this is a non-story, and I think you know that, and I think you know why.
05-10-2020 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
My guess is, the two wannabe heroes would have gotten away with murder, and we likely would never been made aware of it. This story got traction cause of the victims skin color and the racism angle.
So you think if it had been two black guys who chased down a white jogger/robbery suspect, then shot and killed him, the story would have died a quiet death and nobody would have ever heard of it?
05-10-2020 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
So you think if it had been two black guys who chased down a white jogger/robbery suspect, then shot and killed him, the story would have died a quiet death and nobody would have ever heard of it?
Except for maybe Andy Ngo, and stormfront.
05-10-2020 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Think what you will, but if white person ended up dead, this is a non-story, and I think you know that, and I think you know why.
maybe i misunderstood you. are you saying that there is only press because there is a racial component? or that the crime wasn't motivated by race?

the crime was obviously motivated by race. there is probably more press because of the fact that the crime was clearly motivated by race but i think a miscarriage of justice probably makes some press regardless of race.

overall though roughly 45 people are murdered per day in the US so yeah some of the more "normal" murders arent covered.
05-10-2020 , 05:56 PM
oh the old "reverse racism" angle.. lol thats dumb.
05-10-2020 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Except for maybe Andy Ngo, and stormfront.
You forgot Fox. And mask has slipped a bit, eh? Lol you.
05-10-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
oh the old "reverse racism" angle.. lol thats dumb.
The right reason to care about this story is becasue a murder occurred, and they murderers were not charged. The wrong reason is because of the skin color of the people involved. Of course it's speculation, but I'm rather certain if it was a white person doing what Arbery was doing, these wannabee would have done the same thing. You think it's racism, but I think people who do this **** are "solider of fortune" types, wannabe heroes. If it was racist, he would have been dead long before he had a chance to charge at them.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 05-10-2020 at 06:06 PM.
05-10-2020 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
if it was a white person doing Arbery was doing, these wannabee would have done the same thing.
Deserves rainbow text.

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
If it was racist, he would have been dead long before he had a chance to charge at them.
Edits keep on giving.

Do you genuinely believe the quoted statements???

Last edited by d2_e4; 05-10-2020 at 06:08 PM.
05-10-2020 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I thought we were in agreement his behavior prior to the altercation that led to his murder was irrelevant?

Yet, you are trying to justify/trivialize that behavior. They are mutually exclusive acts. It was wrong for the two wannabe heroes to associate it, and it's wrong to associate it by others who want to justifying/trivialize Arbery's illegal behavior. Because he was murdered does not make his prior behavior any less of a crime.
Defenders of the McMichaels are the ones who are pushing the narrative that Arbery was committing a burglary. And I assume they are pushing that narrative because they think it is somehow relevant. I agree that the McMichaels's actions were unjustified even if they saw Arbery burglarizing a construction site. But I don't think it's crazy to question whether the defenders' narrative is even supported by the evidence. And I certainly don't see why anyone who believes that it is irrelevant whether Arbery was committing a burglary should feel compelled to accept the burglary narrative as self-evident.
05-10-2020 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
And this is what matters to a SJW, and it's completely incorrect. If you think it was a racist motivation at this point, you are just a dumbass. Let's be honest, you would not give a damn if it was a white person who was murdered, and I'm certain we would have never heard about this case.
Your claim is that this wasn’t racially motivated. This is simply false. It’s the definition of racial profiling. They had no probable cause to stop him, therefore we can reasonably deduce that it was due to his race.

You also claim that this wouldn’t have gotten as much media attention and that the public wouldn’t care if the same thing happened to a white person. What you’re missing is that these types of things happen disproportionately to black people. You also cannot erase the history of racial discrimination/violence and white privilege/supremacy in this country and then try to replace it with some self-righteous indignation or unfairness towards those that continue to perpetrate them.
05-10-2020 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Yes, some rednecks filmed themselves murdering him.
Good summary!
05-10-2020 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Think what you will, but if white person ended up dead, this is a non-story, and I think you know that, and I think you know why.
I think you're totally correct that this would be a non-story if it was reversed. I think your reason for why that is is ass-backwards though. It wouldn't have been a story because the perpetrators would have been arrested and charged immediately so it would be just another one of the dozens of murders that happen daily and receive no national coverage.
05-10-2020 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wiiziwiig
Your claim is that this wasn’t racially motivated. This is simply false. It’s the definition of racial profiling. They had no probable cause to stop him, therefore we can reasonably deduce that it was due to his race.
There is video of him trespassing. Does not make the murder justified, but it is evidence that corroborates the offenders motivation. Keep screaming racism, you only expose yourself as the real racist profiler. Your only evidence of it being racist motivation is the skin color of the people involved.
05-10-2020 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Willd
I think you're totally correct that this would be a non-story if it was reversed. I think your reason for why that is is ass-backwards though. It wouldn't have been a story because the perpetrators would have been arrested and charged immediately so it would be just another one of the dozens of murders that happen daily and receive no national coverage.
Mr Wiild put it better than I tried to earlier, and to be honest, better than I ever could have.
05-10-2020 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
There is video of him trespassing. Does not make the murder justified, but it is evidence of motivation. Keep screaming racism, you only expose yourself as the real racist profile.
You mean the motivation of the people who chased him?

If I witness you shoplifting, and I decide to chase you down the street with a gun, and then pull out my gun and aim it at you, and then end up shooting you by accident, is that all OK because you were shoplifting?
05-10-2020 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
You mean the motivation of the people who chased him?

If I witness you shoplifting, and I decide to chase you down the street with a gun, and then pull out my gun and aim it at you, and then end up shooting you by accident, is that all OK because you were shoplifting?
This is straw man dipshit, and I'm going to call you a dipshit becasue I have at least a dozen posts indicating it's murder. Because you chase a shoplifter with a gun does not make you a racist, no matter how wrong you were to have a gun while chasing him, no matter the skin color of the people involved. It's more important to the SJW to point out purported racism than the murder, and I find that as disturbing as the people trying to say this was not a murder.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 05-10-2020 at 07:15 PM.
05-10-2020 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
This is straw man dipshit, and I'm going to call you a dipshit becasue I have at least a dozen posts indicating it's murder. Because you chase a shoplifter with a gun does not make the chaser a racist, no matter how wrong he was to chase the guy with a gun.
Well, allow me to use the same heuristics as you do in your posting - to wit, in this particular area of the country, racism is fairly prevalent. So, going by basic bayesian methods, one would suggest on the balance of probabilites that it was a couple of ****ing hillbillies out to lynch a n****

Of course, evidence may be adduced at trial to the contrary. But if you want to infer motivations from facts not yet in evidence, we can all do that.
05-10-2020 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Well, allow me to use the same heuristics as you do in your posting - to wit, in this particular area of the country, racism is fairly prevalent. So, going by basic bayesian methods, one would suggest on the balance of probabilites that it was a couple of ****ing hillbillies out to lynch a n****

Of course, evidence may be adduced at trial to the contrary. But if you want to infer motivations from facts not yet in evidence, we can all do that.
So, you just racially profiled a white guy. You are a racist.
05-10-2020 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
So, you just racially profiled a white guy. You are a racist.
Sure, call the feds.

Meanwhile, you might want to question your own motivations when posting. They don't seem to be entirely pure.
05-10-2020 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Sure, call the feds.

Meanwhile, you might want to question your own motivations when posting. They don't seem to be entirely pure.
Almost all of my posting in this thread was pointing out it was murder. Almost all of your posting history in this thread is alleging racism with zero evidence, and your stated reasoning is entirely based on racial profiling a white person. I mean, you should know racial profiling is not an acceptable way to determine something. You care about the racial component, not me. You are the racist here.
05-10-2020 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Stop trying to trivialize his behavior. It's rather clear his behavior was irrelevant in regards to what they did to him, but stop pretending this guy was not doing something illegal. They are two separate acts. You don't have to justify his illegal behavior, as it's irrelevant to the murder. Further, he was 25 years old, stop alluding to him as a kid.
Half the people I know didn't start acting like 'adults' until they were like ~30. And at nearly 50 I still have some friends that aren't quite there
05-10-2020 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
There is video of him trespassing. Does not make the murder justified, but it is evidence that corroborates the offenders motivation. Keep screaming racism, you only expose yourself as the real racist profiler. Your only evidence of it being racist motivation is the skin color of the people involved.
They didn’t see him do that, they just saw a black person “hauling ass” so how could it possibly corroborate the offender’s motivation? Unless you believe these rednecks were actually secret agents of some minority report dystopian future sent here to prevent the heinous act of of yoinking fishing rods.

Last edited by wiiziwiig; 05-10-2020 at 07:41 PM.
05-10-2020 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Almost all of my posting in this thread was pointing out it was murder. Almost all of your posting history in this thread is alleging racism with zero evidence, and your stated reasoning is entirely based on racial profiling a white person. I mean, you should know racial profiling is not an acceptable way to determine something. You care about the racial component, not me. You are the racist here.
Almost all of my posting ITT was related to the legalities of the situation, until you went on your batshit crazy tangent trying to cook up a positive defense for the suspects.
05-10-2020 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Think what you will, but if white person ended up dead, this is a non-story, and I think you know that, and I think you know why.

It might not interest you as much. It would still be murder and would interest to prosecutor.

I'm curious though, do you think in the same town the police would have filed charges sooner if the roles were reversed ?
I think they would have and I think you know why.
05-10-2020 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
This is straw man dipshit, and I'm going to call you a dipshit becasue I have at least a dozen posts indicating it's murder. Because you chase a shoplifter with a gun does not make you a racist, no matter how wrong you were to have a gun while chasing him, no matter the skin color of the people involved. It's more important to the SJW to point out purported racism than the murder, and I find that as disturbing as the people trying to say this was not a murder.
So there's no racial component to this event in your mind ?

That's funny but I still haven't seen any evidence of a crime being committed.

The kid wandered into the new construction and there's video of him looking at the materials. Is he casing the joint or is he just interested in building houses or is he perhaps a bit behind his age mentally ?

I can't tell from what I've seen but I do know I haven't seen any crime other than the murder so far. Lot's of excuses and justification for the white guys but no actual video proof of a crime that would excuse or justify their behavior. (I guess that's why they were arrested)

The story about the thousands of dollars worth of fishing gear is lol to me.
Leave thousands of dollars of stuff on an open lot and you're just asking for someone to take it. And those gun totin' red necks like to fish afaik. Can't assume that was the kid either.

      
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