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Ahmaud Arbery Killing -- 3 Guilty of Murder Ahmaud Arbery Killing -- 3 Guilty of Murder

05-09-2020 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
What's really hard is comprehending your level of ******ation. I would have expected that from other people but not from you.
Hmm. Your earlier post, and this post, were exactly what I expected from you.
05-09-2020 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by somigosaden
And I've also seen tons of people acting like he was just defending himself as any reasonable person would do when accosted by men with guns. If two guys with guns are shouting at me to stop and that they want to talk to me or that they've called the cops, and then I see them stopped 30 yards up the road, I'm not going to run TOWARD THEIR TRUCK, instead of, say, running IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, or even, PERPENDICULAR TO THE ROAD. I also think—if I weren't engaged in criminal activity—CALL THE POLICE MYSELF SINCE GUYS WITH GUNS ARE HARRASSING ME. But maybe I'm a rare bird. I guess a reasonable thing to do would in fact be to run thirty yards straight at their truck, and when I see the guy standing with a shotgun next to the driver's side door, run around the truck and then sprint at him from the passenger side and try to take the gun away from him. That's totally what a guy just out for a jog in Timberlands who wasn't burglarizing a house would do.

As for the two white guys, as Kelhus says in the OP, I don't see what they did that was illegal. It's aggressive to go after some burglar who likely stole a handgun out of your truck a few weeks ago, and who's been burglarizing other houses in the neighborhood, with loaded guns. But since they know as well as anyone that cops usually don't do **** and aren't going to investigate, catching the guy red-handed seems like a reasonable move. And since he likely stole a gun from you (and coincidentally also has a prior gun conviction) carrying guns along seems reasonable. At least if you have guns, it should prevent the guy from trying to attack you (you would think, especially if he's just a jogger). They called 911 and said that's what they were doing. They don't want him to get away this time while the cops mosey over there. It's legal to open carry in Georgia. They stop their truck 30 yards away from him and were almost certainly telling him to stop (in the 911 call you can overhear them yelling at him to stop). So they hold him there for a few minutes and then the cops come and sort it out. But instead Arbery freaks out and attacks the guy with a shotgun and tries to rip it from his hands. What is the white guy with the shotgun supposed to do?

How can you look at this incident and conclude that these guys are murderers and Arbery was an innocent jogger? Unbelievable. Free Jussie Smollett. Lock up Nick Sandmann.

This was a lot of words to say “my white supremacy complex is attacked and offended that people found this murder to not be OK”

Next time just say that. And save me your self righteous pivoting retort. You’ve said plenty.
05-09-2020 , 07:15 PM
it's like if we take every assertion in somi's distorted view of the facts as true or likely true, it's still murder.

lol. this isn't the hill to die on.
05-09-2020 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo

As for the facts, I suspect that these idiots didn't jump in the truck with a specific plan to hunt and kill Arbery. If that had been the plan, I doubt they would have called the cops.
That and the apparently the father never fired. If their intent was to kill I doubt they ever give Arbery a chance to grab the shotgun. So maybe manslaughter is more appropriate? Idk, but something tells me we are going to see a hung jury in a couple of years.
05-09-2020 , 08:42 PM
New video shows Arbery walking in and around Larry English's home that was being built. That "just a jogger" narrative is really falling apart. Keep in mind this is the same home that had $2500 in fishing gear stolen from it earlier this year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-killing.html
05-09-2020 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LDLC
New video shows Arbery walking in and around Larry English's home that was being built. That "just a jogger" narrative is really falling apart. Keep in mind this is the same home that had $2500 in fishing gear stolen from it earlier this year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-killing.html
Whether he was a jogger or some sort of master burglar doesn't matter.
05-09-2020 , 09:00 PM
There was a case in Minnesota a few years ago where a homeowner who had been burgled a number of times hid in the basement with a shotgun and shot the two burglars when they returned. He got life for first degree murder. He recorded audio of the whole event, presumably thinking it would exonerate him (or maybe he was just a little nuts).

Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_...Smith_killings

Make of that what you will, but it seems that the law frowns upon people who use lethal force against burglars unless it's in self defence and proportional.
05-09-2020 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
Whether he was a jogger or some sort of master burglar doesn't matter.

Oh, it absolutely matters. If some low life POS has been committing felony grand theft against you and your neighbors, and then you go after him to question him, and he responds by charging you, punching you, and trying to take your weapon...you better damn well believe that's not murder if you fire your weapon to protect yourself.
05-09-2020 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
Whether he was a jogger or some sort of master burglar doesn't matter.
Correct. It really shouldn't matter.
05-09-2020 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
There was a case in Minnesota a few years ago where a homeowner who had been burgled a number of times hid in the basement with a shotgun and shot the two burglars when they returned. He got life for first degree murder. He recorded audio of the whole event, presumably thinking it would exonerate him (or maybe he was just a little nuts).

Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_...Smith_killings

Make of that what you will, but it seems that the law frowns upon people who use lethal force against burglars unless it's in self defence and proportional.
There are numerous cases that stand for the similar proposition that you can't rig your windows with spring guns.

And keep in mind that this is a very different case. Having someone invade your home is very frightening and very threatening. Seeing someone trespass on a construction site is not.
05-09-2020 , 10:34 PM
Whenever there is a reported burglary, guys with shotguns are allowed to jump into their trucks and question whomever they suspect the burglar is?

Sounds absolutely ******ed.
05-09-2020 , 10:43 PM
What if the black guy fought back because he thought he was being hunted by 2 white guys with shot guns?

What about joggers that get abducted and killed by men with firearms?

Absolutely insane these 2 hillbillies.

If I was going for a random jog and 2 hillbillies pulled up to me with shot guns, I wouldn't react positively.
05-09-2020 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
There are numerous cases that stand for the similar proposition that you can't rig your windows with spring guns.

And keep in mind that this is a very different case. Having someone invade your home is very frightening and very threatening. Seeing someone trespass on a construction site is not.
That case was actually worse. If you ever get in the weeds on that one, you will see that guy committed premeditated murder.
05-10-2020 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LDLC
Oh, it absolutely matters. If some low life POS has been committing felony grand theft against you and your neighbors, and then you go after him to question him, and he responds by charging you, punching you, and trying to take your weapon...you better damn well believe that's not murder if you fire your weapon to protect yourself.
These beta male revenge gunporn fantasies are getting out of hand.

Again even if you take ever bit of your wet dream as gospel it’s still murder. they still saw a random person, went home and grabbed deadly weapons, ran that person down with at best the intent to deprive him of his liberty and then shot him to death when he defended HIMSELF from their attack on his freedoms.

Last edited by Slighted; 05-10-2020 at 12:37 AM.
05-10-2020 , 12:47 AM
all these conservatives and libertarians and 2nd amendment idiots are too stupid to realize they are on the wrong side of this even with regards to their pet issues..

they should be advocating that ahmaud should have had a firearm and then he could have protected himself from the crazed aggressors trying to attack his freedom. because we all know the only way to stop some bad guys with guns is a good guy with a gun..

i wonder why the never seem to realize that.. oh wait i know why.
05-10-2020 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
These beta male revenge gunporn fantasies are getting out of hand.

Again even if you take ever bit of your wet dream as gospel it’s still murder. they still saw a random person, went home and grabbed deadly weapons, ran that person down with at best the intent to deprive him of his liberty and then shot him to death when he defended HIMSELF from their attack on his freedoms.
Has nothing to do with with some fantasy wet dream. In fact, there is a very strong probability that it’s precisely what happened. And you know you’re being disingenuous when you have to LIE in your response. By all accounts, he wasn’t “some random person”. They had seen this exact same person on previous nights behaving suspiciously on the exact days that things were stolen...and they even directly witnessed him trespassing during his “jog” on this very day. He then ran from the scene when he knew he was seen in another man’s house and refused to answer questions. Some random person? No. A person who was demonstrating many of the signs of being a potential burglar.
05-10-2020 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
all these conservatives and libertarians and 2nd amendment idiots are too stupid to realize they are on the wrong side of this even with regards to their pet issues..
Nice try. I’m about as liberal and progressive as they come. I just know bullshit when I smell it. And when NONE of the behavior and attire of the person in question indicate that he was some random innocent jogger, I’m going to call out the BS. Especially when video shows he did not do everything he could to avoid physical confrontation. In fact, he charged directly at the other man, punched him in the head or neck area, and tried to wrestle with him for his gun.
05-10-2020 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
These beta male revenge gunporn fantasies are getting out of hand.

Again even if you take ever bit of your wet dream as gospel it’s still murder. they still saw a random person, went home and grabbed deadly weapons, ran that person down with at best the intent to deprive him of his liberty and then shot him to death when he defended HIMSELF from their attack on his freedoms.
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Originally Posted by Slighted
all these conservatives and libertarians and 2nd amendment idiots are too stupid to realize they are on the wrong side of this even with regards to their pet issues..

they should be advocating that ahmaud should have had a firearm and then he could have protected himself from the crazed aggressors trying to attack his freedom. because we all know the only way to stop some bad guys with guns is a good guy with a gun..

i wonder why the never seem to realize that.. oh wait i know why.
This liberal porn is getting out of hand. Always extrapolating these sick fantasies to a broader segment of people. I'm certain you are one of the people who take glee in this stuff so you can smack your moral righteousness on the right, except you look pathetic when you do it.
05-10-2020 , 01:51 AM
I thought the other report(made by these guys btw) said the guy had dreads/full sleeve tattoos?
05-10-2020 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LDLC
Nice try. I’m about as liberal and progressive as they come. I just know bullshit when I smell it. And when NONE of the behavior and attire of the person in question indicate that he was some random innocent jogger, I’m going to call out the BS. Especially when video shows he did not do everything he could to avoid physical confrontation. In fact, he charged directly at the other man, punched him in the head or neck area, and tried to wrestle with him for his gun.
If I chase you down the street with a gun, and you decide, for whatever reason, that instead of running away your best course of action is to try and confront/disarm me, and I end up shooting and killing you, do you think that I would skate on self defence just like that? What if I saw you shoplifting earlier?

Last edited by d2_e4; 05-10-2020 at 03:20 AM.
05-10-2020 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by LDLC

Nice try. I’m about as liberal and progressive as they come. I just know bullshit when I smell it. And when NONE of the behavior and attire of the person in question indicate that he was some random innocent jogger, I’m going to call out the BS. Especially when video shows he did not do everything he could to avoid physical confrontation. In fact, he charged directly at the other man, punched him in the head or neck area, and tried to wrestle with him for his gun.
it was actually better for you having people think you were just an ideological zealot. now you just look stupid and ignorant of how laws work
05-10-2020 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
This liberal porn is getting out of hand. Always extrapolating these sick fantasies to a broader segment of people. I'm certain you are one of the people who take glee in this stuff so you can smack your moral righteousness on the right, except you look pathetic when you do it.
i do enjoy being correct. i dont really experience empathy,so it's not really about feeling bad for people. but being right is always a good time. thats why i stay around here so much even though i read the other better politics forum for news.
05-10-2020 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LDLC
Oh, it absolutely matters. If some low life POS has been committing felony grand theft against you and your neighbors, and then you go after him to question him, and he responds by charging you, punching you, and trying to take your weapon...you better damn well believe that's not murder if you fire your weapon to protect yourself.
That's the cops job, if you go after him while armed then you're looking for a potential confrontation. You can't claim to feel threatened as he's off your property. Going after him armed is vigilantism so even if he was a burglar there's no way McMichaels were justified. Secondly I didn't see Arbery with any property or items on him so that's up for debate too although again ultimately irrelevant.
05-10-2020 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by LDLC
I’m about as liberal and progressive as they come.
Please explain your views on the 2nd Amendment and stand your ground laws, Mr. Progressive.
05-10-2020 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
...... ran that person down with at best the intent to deprive him of his liberty and then shot him to death when he defended HIMSELF from their attack on his freedoms.
Is there evidence of a deprivation of his liberty and him being attacked or is that just your interpretation of the video?

      
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