Going to tl;dr last couple pages. European imbecile and American racists unite to defend President Trump’s use of THUG and demanding it can’t be racist because profit?

I now know what it feels like to have my race used against me (I already did, but...). I'm not privileged anymore.

There is only a few people on this forum who thinks peoples perspectives are diminished or elevated because of skin color, and I'm not one of them.

Lol @ "diminished." To think that you have an equivalent perspective on racism compared with people who have lived underneath it while you have not is just incredible hubris. I don't try to explain the finer points of German grammar to native speakers.

no. because they aren't at all similar. but i will assume you know this and are just being obtuse trying to pull the standard kelhus.

No, I genuinely think it is a racist dogwhistle. I have been pretty consistent in arguing racism isn't a 1 way street IMO over the years.

I find this post tone deaf

It's entirely possible Trump wrote THUGS in all caps and was truly thinking of no specific race and solely the monolithic group known as looters

The use of the term thug is still a racist dog whistle. Obviously it's not always used in that regard, but the problem is when Trump says it there is an entire body of work from his past that makes it impossible to not think he used a racist dog whistle

The logic might be more or less correct, but you seem to not understand similar to the way corpus vile does not understand. When you're a minority, you go your whole life experiencing things that make it very ****ing clear that yes, the term thug is indeed a dog whistle. Sometimes the line is blurry and you can't tell, but god dammit if it doesn't make you squint...It's a unique experience that others simply won't have in quite the same way

And again, the revelation that should be noted is that there is a constant and consistent notion in the social hierarchy that implies persons of color are beneath white people. I know that's a crude analysis, but I hope people get the point. To openly state the threat of shooting looters implies an indifference to loss of life. The silence over the crack epidemic. The sudden materialization of empathy for the opioid epidemic. It's just a constant repetition of implied grotesque thought...People deliver messages right to faces without even realizing it

Ah, but you are privileged

Far be it for me to scream racism about everything, or exude that I'm some tree hugging, latte sipping, Prius driving, beta male cuck liberal, but the concept of white privilege is not understood if you can't realize the very existence of it is ubiquitous

There is no disagreement about how you and I think. You view race as an indicator of credibility, I don't. I won't ever be ashamed of that. I know in decades past, black people were told they could not grasp things either. Telling white people they can't grasp something is no different than that. I'm sure you have some rationalization why it's different. The pathology of those two sentiments is the exact same, the only thing different is one uses intelligence, and the other uses perspective, both are intrinsic qualities used to demonstrate inferiority via race.

Ultimately, your reasoning fails on a much bigger point, other than prejudicial thinking. Racism directed towards people, at its core, is an injustice. You really think white people can't experience injustice, and can't relate to comparable injustice black people have faced? You don't, because as far as injustice goes, racial prejudices directed at people is at the top of your injustice list, and that type of injustice can't be experienced by white people. However, if something else was at the top of my injustice list, and I've experienced it, I can relate to someone else who has experienced an injustice at the top of their list.

Your reasoning fails because it assumes there is a special pain that goes with one particular injustice over another, and a particular race is immune to that type of pain.

Your entire view on this subject is rooted in complete bullshit.

I'll hit on a few of these things:

Silence: Recording artist became multi millionaires talking about crack, and the life style it brought. Movies were made. When entertainers are using the situation to entertain, and are successful, and are at the forefront of our culture, that's not silence.

materialization of empathy: If you don't think there was empathy for the stories told by those entertainers, en masse, you are just looking at things through a distorted lens. Guess who was buying those stories en masse?


We are in complete agreement on this.

you left out that he was formerly a cop. cops are racist. you also left out that he chased down a black guy and helped execute him.

did you know that the Democrats were the party that supported slavery?

No I didn't, I specifically mentioned more than once itt that M sr is former LE
Cops are racist? Every single one of them? That's simply just plain untrue so I'm dismissing that.

No I didn't I actually covered this quite thoroughly earlier itt and stated it's one of the reasons they should be charged with and convicted of first degree murder.

The claim was that Trump said he wanted African Americans killed.When this claim was shown to be untrue it was claimed that it was "100% accurate" due to Trump's use of the word thug despite there being white rioters and looters also.
Basically when Trump uses it to describe rioters and looters, it's racist as he secretly means black people and wants them killed, but when Obama uses it to describe looters and rioters or MSM does to describe white criminals, it isn't racist. You're right. I don't understand it as words seem to mean whatever people want them to mean over your way. Therefore calling rioters thugs means you want black people killed if a different president says it than another president.

Would you regard this as clear?
https://www.google.ie/search?q=no+do...Nc1gueB2xTAwM:

Or this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_sentiment

With respect you've know way of knowing what posters do and don't understand regarding bigotry or racism.

And sometimes it's just plain contrary innit? I mean it's almost like it is and it isn't at the same time.

How does this equate to wanting African Americans killed when there were looters of more than one race? How does it equate to a racist dog whistle when used to describe black and white looters along with any other race who happened to be looting and rioting? Did he mean just the black rioters and looters when he used the word thugs?

I find your posts refreshingly thoughtful, compared to the emotive crap that's taken up much of this thread, but you're justifying what is a serious reach here, as it really is a serious reach to infer the use of the word thugs to describe rioters of all backgrounds in these specific protests, to "I want black people shot". A very serious reach.

That said it's your country so you guys handle your race issues any way you please.

I'm about to blow your ****ing mind: Obama was talking about black people when he said "thugs" too!

What makes it racist is when Trump suggested, you know, gunning all of them down.

White nationalists marching in Charlottesville, resulting in the murder of Heather Heyer: very fine people on both sides. Armed white protesters in Michigan: hear them out, they're good people, they're just angry.

Black protesters marching nationwide: BRING OUT THE MACHINE GUNS

Yes and also Jim Crow laws. I regard the Democrats as GOP lite though, America doesn't have a real viable left wing imo.

Just the ****ing cherry on top.

Chefskiss.jpg Victor

.Gee ya think? I mean it's almost like he's referring to rioters in general regardless of race innit...

Including the white ones? Or did he just mean all of the non white ones? With the white ones being magically spared somehow?

But it wasn't black protesters it was black white and whoever else protesters. Which you keep ignoring. And which belies your claim.

Again words seem to mean whatever you guys decide they mean and when they mean it unless it's by someone you like, then they don't mean it.

Makes sense. Anyway like I said it's your country so your problem so you go right ahead and carry on mate, don't let me stop you...

Yeah. Tell me again about how Trump wants to kill black people and how your claim is "100% accurate"

lol, that's the exact opposite of what I said dumbass, try reading again one more time

So he was only referring to black people huh? 'k.

Yes, that's how coded words work. It's the same phenomenon as calling someone "bossy" - the definition of the word is not gendered, but in practice it's only deployed against women. If Donald Trump wrote that he would never hire a bossy person, you would (I hope, unless you're even stupider than I thought) interpret that as discriminatory against women, despite the fact that the statement contains no explicit reference to gender. Or "inner city", which seems harmless out of context but in reality is such a loaded term for "poor black people" that the ****ing Wikipedia page has an explainer on it.

I'm glad your dumb ass is finally starting to get it!

Injustice list? What is this garbage? No, you don't become an expert on anti-black racism just because you experienced some other injustice just as you don't learn French by taking German classes. You might empathize, but that is a very different thing from literally talking down to a black person that they don't understand their own experience of anti-black racism as well as you, a non-black person, do, as you just did. The conversation was not about the pain felt at all. It was about what racist acts are routinely encountered, and actually being black is much more relevant than being someone who may have experienced some other sort of injustice. You aren't even attempting to empathize. You just told the guy that his own lived experience should not be mentioned. You are telling him to shut up, and it's galling.

The criminal justice system is racist, and if you are a willing participant in that system, you are racist.

Just to be clear, I am not making the argument Trump used a racist dog whistle. I'm saying it's really ****ing hard to tell sometimes. I actually don't think he was really thinking about race like when he calls Africa a shithole and questions why we can't get more immigrants from Norway. But, uh, hello? The fact that he called Africa a shithole and questions why we can't get more immigrants from Norway is damn sure going to make me squint when he says THUGS in all caps knowing what I know and right before he regurgitates the threat of draconian response to criminal activity last heard in the ****ing 60s, verbatim...

I'm making the point that thug is in fact a dog whistle and it is also possible that Trump did not use it like a dog whistle, however I do firmly believe Trump is a racist. It is impossible for him not to be given his past. It's practically inarguable at this point. It doesn't mean EVERYTHING he does or says is racist. I have a brain, I can decide for myself and try to do so in good faith

WRT to silence on the crack epidemic and the opposite in the opioid epidemic, some people must be being deliberately obtuse

You can spend all day pointing out tidbit here or tidbit there. Don't ****ing tell me, a minority who watched mother****ers die from both only to see the politicians and those in power be loud vocal and sincere in saving white people and so plainly interested in victim blaming person of color. Get the **** out of here with that bullshit. You can't possibly be that stupid or ignorant

We don't have to look beyond what Trump has said about violent white protestors to know that THUGS means black people.