How can there be any question about whether there was an attempted deprivation of liberty? They followed him in a vehicle with guns on display and told him to stop moving. No one in Arbery's position would have felt free to ignore these guys and continue on his way.

yeah this. "citizens arrest" isn't really a thing in real life. those concepts were for retailers being able to detain shoplifters. it has been turned into a thing by tv and movies. it certainly doesn't allow for you to chase down a random person on the street who you think might have committed a crime.

they attempted to detain him unlawfully at gunpoint, i'm not sure there is more of a clear violation of liberty than that.

That dog don't hunt.

Yes, some rednecks filmed themselves murdering him.

Yeah, pretty much this. I wonder how many of the people who have seen the video and coming in here saying it all looks legit would be saying the same if the guys on the truck were black and the "jogger" was a good 'ol boy. I'd lay odds that exactly the same posters, given exactly the same set of circumstances, would be screaming "assassination".

They did not have probable cause to conduct a citizen's arrest, the situation did not call for them to be brandishing weapons in their illegal citizen's arrest, elevating their crime to aggravated assault. They cannot claim self-defense when they are the one's who initiated the confrontation, elevating their crime to murder. Not only the son, but the father and the camera man are liable for murder under the felony murder rule. The camera man even got a shot off his own gun as he was filming the murder of Ahmaud Arbery. I suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror if you think that these men are innocent.

Keep in mind this doesn’t excuse him being shot to death by to citizens who could have peacefully tracked him until real cops arrived.

Seriously wtf. Being a petty property thief doesn’t make it okay for a third party non cop to run you down cause a conflict and shot him to death.

Looks like he did more than what I previously said he did, which is just peer into a window. Doesn't change anything though. He didn't burglarize anything, nor did they see him do this, and they had no right to stop him while brandishing a weapon even if they did. If they were afraid he'd have a gun, they should have waited for police to arrive and let them handle it, instead they committed aggravated assault which eventually led to murder.

So he walked onto property where a house was under construction big deal, we used to play in such sites as kids. Absolutely no justification for the McMichaels actions.

I don't know why citizens should be able to pull guns on other citizens for simple burglary (which is what they thought he did). There was no violent act when they confronted the guy. I see why he thought he was in danger. Two guys pulled guns on him! I would have fought too!

They definitely did something wrong. This is why we have police! If you see something, call the cops! Now, if the guy was raping someone or had a gun pulled, I would understand, seems like someone minding his business and two wanna be heroes doing something awful.

If I had to guess how many kids I went to hs with(and the several other local HSs where I knew/know tons of people from) had been in homes under construction at some points in their lives--it would probably be close to everyone. Including all the people snarkily saying just out for a 'jog'

I find it really tough to believe any one would be storing/leave laying around expensive fishing equipment in that situation. That's literally asking for it to be stolen. Insurance scam seems more like it. While there's no doubt stuff gets stolen/vandalized running into anything really valuable(tools etc) and easily carried off--is really rare ime. Maybe more believable if the guy is building it himself--but I seriously doubt any other regular workers are leaving their tools out in the open.

Stop trying to trivialize his behavior. It's rather clear his behavior was irrelevant in regards to what they did to him, but stop pretending this guy was not doing something illegal. They are two separate acts. You don't have to justify his illegal behavior, as it's irrelevant to the murder. Further, he was 25 years old, stop alluding to him as a kid.

If this is all Arbery did, then the McMichaels supporters might as well switch sides and start calling for a murder conviction. Almost everyone has walked onto a construction site at some point in their lives.

It's not really irrelevant, though. If they had witnessed him raping or murdering someone, it'd be a different story. It's all about proportionality.

All of you trying to justify and trivialize his behavior, are just as bad as the ones trying to justify/trivialize the murder.

What am I missing? Is there any evidence that he did anything more than trespass, at least on this occasion? Did he have any stolen property on him?

I thought we were in agreement his behavior prior to the altercation that led to his murder was irrelevant?

Yet, you are trying to justify/trivialize that behavior. They are mutually exclusive acts. It was wrong for the two wannabe heroes to associate it, and it's wrong to associate it by others who want to justifying/trivialize Arbery's illegal behavior. Because he was murdered does not make his prior behavior any less of a crime.

Jogging in timbs while black, yo

And this is what matters to a SJW, and it's completely incorrect. If you think it was a racist motivation at this point, you are just a dumbass. Let's be honest, you would not give a damn if it was a white person who was murdered, and I'm certain we would have never heard about this case.

Lol ok. I'm not an SJW, but w/e.

Answer me this, if the guys on the truck and the guy jogging was white, would your assessment of the situation remain the same?gu

What do you think my assessment is?

I've read all your posts ITT, but my subjective judgement of your assessment is irrelevant to my question, which is, would it remain the same?

My guess is, the two wannabe heroes would have gotten away with murder, and we likely would never been made aware of it. This story got traction cause of the victims skin color and the racism angle.

lol. it was definitely racially motivated. wtf are you even talking about. they certainly dont chase a random white dude down and try and unlawfully detain him for walking around a construction site.

i agree that the alleged trespassing is entirely irrelevant to the murder. the two idiots defense will obviously try and link them and the public should avoid helping them do that.

but to try and say this case isn't about race is ridiculous. it's the exact behavior you accuse everyone on here of extended to the opposite degree, trying ludicrously hard to remove the obvious from the equation.