Bump. I think some of this was known and some of it is new: McMichaels are denied bond in hearing that adds details on their racism

This has it all:
- the "I was joking and/or using the word literally" defense of racist slurs (of course; why didn't anyone stop and think that maybe he was talking about a crackhead raccoon with gold teeth and a pistol?)
- the "he has a black friend/coworker" defense

ya but how could anyone know they were racist? /corpus vile

You're the real racist for even suggesting that a couple guys who chased down and murdered a Black guy are racist.

You never answered an earlier question- is it "logical" to hope Jacob Blake succumbs to his injuries and dies due to being a criminal or not?

...Touche

Rayshard Broooks was a alleged drunk driver so you've just justified his shooting, by your own rationale. Yo're the one who went on your moral equivalence spiel and you're the one who specifically mentioned paedophiles. One of Kyle Rittenhouse's victims was a convicted sex offending paedo. By your own rationale it's "logical" to be happy about these deaths and hope that felons like Jacob Blake die from his injuries the way it's logical for Trump to die of covid.

Yet now none of this applies because reasons. It only applies to Trump because Orange Man Bad. Your inconsistency only highlights how ultimately, again you're simply a hateful individual regardless of how many times you attempt to justify your mindset.

CV just has the same post he makes over and over again, where he makes some dumb argument and then tries to pivot to grossly exaggerating some bad take he thinks the poster he's attacking made several months ago, as if he never said the killing of Ahmaud Arbery wasn't racist or got laughed at by the whole forum for his "Trump's election-denying antics are just like 2000 and 2016" takes (see what I did there?)

I never said the killing of AA wasn't racist, and already c&P'd a bunch of times precisely what I said in the AA thread regardless of your gaslighting attempts.

Please provide the verbatim quote where I asserted his murder wasn't racist.
Good luck with that too.

CV has a profound love for the word "whinge".

Why are you allowing goofy to gaslight? Is it becaue he's a fellow mod? I never said AA murder was't racist and provided the quote and now the quote is deleted by the mods?

Why are you allowing such bad faith trolling behaviour from other posters?

Then why are you allowing Goofy's post on Ahmaud Arbery if this is the election post mortem thread and why are you allowing his false accusation against me? I never once stated Mr Arbery's murder wasn't racist and provided the quote what I said which you deleted.

Why are you allowing his post? That's neither being fair or impartial.

Never said either of those things please provide the verbatim quotes where I did

For the bazillionth time, here's what I said re Ahmaud Arbery's murder.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1276

As was said this is the election post mortem thread so take your false claims re other posters elsewhere, thanks

I have moved 8 posts here from the election-post mortem thread.

When you bring up an issue or intertwine two issues, people will respond. None of the parties are innocent when it comes to using characterisations.

I see you moved goofy's post to this thread TD so that's absolutely fair enough, cheers.

Jury selection in the trial has started.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/18/u...ial/index.html

So basically the Trayvon Martin case but with video and with 3 assailants instead of one. If Zimmerman was acquitted in Florida why wouldn't these guys be acquitted in Georgia? Of course the defense will be just as asinine. But I wonder how much that matters when, at the end of the day, common racist Americans think these sort of racial murders, over what they see as territory encroachment of a rival tribe, are great.

Saw that one of Zimmerman's defense attorneys was arrested for witness tampering in defense of a an accused child rapist. Slightly less respectable than the average internet Zimmerman apologist. Let's see what oozes out of the muck to defend these 3 beer bellied moron race warriors.

How has CV not been banned yet? All he does is come in and lie about murder victims.

I thought Zimmerman was a lying sack of **** when the story broke, and I have no use for civilians who want to act like de facto police because they get off on the power trip. But he at least had a story that his lawyers could tell to the jury and there was no video. Even so, I think he was fortunate to avoid a conviction. It wasn't a foregone conclusion.

Since that time, Zimmerman has done nothing but undermine his own credibility and further reveal his own racism. If he were on trial now, I think there would be a very low chance of an acquittal.

You never know with juries, but the video really should be game over for Arbery's killers.

Right.

Also, they literally armed themselves and chased Arbery down. And it wasn't one schlep against a high school athlete. They could have just tried a citizen's arrest and detained him if that was their intent.

This was a posse formed to kill a black guy in the old tradition of the south.
Times change. Dummies don't.

Well CV rarely posts anymore here and when he does it seems he has moderated or softened many of his more extreme right type views.

If he does opine here I guess we will see if this area, 'race related crime' is one of them?

Maybe a little different, and maybe that difference makes the crime more acceptable to a much wider swath of the South. You probably understand that what happened to Aubrey is what probably 35% of White southerners want to do to a Black male in their neighborhood. Part of Zimmerman's sympathy might have been based on this idea that people have a right to defend their territory against suspicious people. You know what suspicious means to them.

This isn't an Emmett Till situation of mob justice, which probably wouldn't be tolerated almost anywhere. It's easy to portray this to Southerners as a homeowner who was just a little overzealous. Then they will say the figure (who by then will be seen as a tupac-hulk hybrid) attacked and went for the gun and at that point it's a self defense situation for the well intended neighborhood watch.

This is the American way. You take things and exploit people and create a caste system. Then you get a bunch of guns and act all paranoid on hair trigger worrying that someone from the lower caste will get the idea to take something back. There is empathy for these monsters.

But it all turns on that word "suspicious". When "black" means "suspicious", well there's the problem ...

35% of white East Coast guys probably 'want' to do that too. But they would never dream of it. They understand that their racism won't be tolerated and hasn't been for decades. It takes time to dismantle that caste system and generations need to pass.

But yeah. It's all about the caste system. Remember when we used to finger point at S. Africa ? lol@us.

I don't have any extreme right wing views and am centre/moderate left, politically. You leveled this accusation at me before several times but then refused to provide any examples despite being challenged to several times.
I gave my thoughts on AA's murder lots of times over and am not interested in any continued further gaslighting attempts to falsely claim otherwise or to falsely label me. I stand by my comments itt.
Personally I hope the McMichaels get life without parole, as I already stated before. If they can get a further consecutive sentence for hate crime then even better. That's it.

Nor have I lied about any murder victims and your highlighted comment is one of the many many reasons I have trolly on ig and have no need to entertain him anyway, due to his crap, nor am I sure why he's making false accusations against me now, considering I haven't posted here in a while and itt in particular. Speaking of which, stop trying to drag me back into this thread as October is my horror month and I've better things to do than correct persistent falsehoods about me, cheers.

I doubt the McMichaels will be acquitted. A GBI agent testified that he viewed AA going for the shotgun as an act of self defence. I don;t think their actions will be covered by the stand your ground law in Georgia. I doubt the McMichaels are gonna walk from this.