Looks like foreigners are being allowed to leave via the airport

Bad news is the Afghans are f now. If you are a woman, an lgtb or not Taliban you better get out of Afghanistan.

Good news is shuffe's hand is better. Hope you're doing fine

Afghanistan is in a historic war between the east and the west for 50+ years. Nobody is calling ammesty international for this or Syria. They are all hypocrates. More important is local bad news and other crap. What else is new?

We got out. How many times did we get out?

There’s about ten thousand westerners at risk of slaughter. But the Afghan interior minister said a transitional government is agreed an Taliban won’t attack Kabul. The Taliban already freed the prison at bagram.

President ghani is as anti Taliban as it gets. He’s attacked then as stooges of Pakistan for years. If they get their hands on him they will kill him publicly.

Spectacular intelligence failure. This is not how this was supposed to happen.

[QUOTE=Shuffle;57268143]The story of Afghanistan isn't a story of people who wouldn't fight for their country, it''s a story of how the United States intentionally destabilized the country to justify a never ending presence there./QUOTE]

How do you intentionally destabilize a country that had been at war for decades? There was literally a civil war going on with Taliban and northern alliance when 9/11 happened. So instead of Pushtuns fighting western forces they will go back to fighting the other dozen or so ethnic groups in Afghanistan like they were before 9/11

We will ultimately get out about the same number of times that China has banned Bitcoin.

Afghans in the Taliban have no problem fighting for their country.
And I disagree we’re never going back unless attacked.

hmm, hollywood told me differently

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charli...%27s_War_(film)

Michael Moore kinda nails it

Kabul, Saigon.
The fall, once again.
America loses another war.
Our longest war.
“We’re #1!!”
We spent over $2 trillion.
We sacrificed over 2,300 American lives to invade a country where Bin Laden was never, nowhere, to be found. Bush said he had no interest in capturing him. Obama’s team found him in a house just down the road from Pakistan’s “West Point”. Who woulda guessed!

WE are the invaders. The Taliban are not invaders — they’re Afghans — it’s their country! They’re religious nuts. We know what that looks like — we have our own!

What a tragic mess. Defund the Pentagon and the military-industrial complex, defund the NSA, defund Homeland Security. They sent our young troops to their deaths. Shame! 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia! Not Afghanistan, not Iraq, not Iran. How come Bandar Bush didn’t attack the Saudis? Oh. Right. Fill ‘er up!

Once again, we have been defeated by an army with no bomber planes, no destroyers, no missiles, no helicopters, no napalm — just a bunch of guys in pickup trucks. We haven’t won an actual war in the defense of this country since WWII.

76 years ago today.

Today is VJ-Day — Victory Over Japan Day. August 15, 1945. (Thank you Uncle Lornie for sacrificing your life.)

Today, 76 years later, is the day the U. S. lost the Afghanistan War. God bless our troops. May our troops forgive us.

Much condolences and love to all families who lost loved ones in this disgustingly sad war.

Must be tough being the President that when you pull a highly popular move it turns out it means you have to be the one eating the **** sandwich prepared by all the Presidents before you.

It sucks that the country is going to be a humanitarian cluster**** but there was nothing more the US could do, short of an unending occupation.

The only ones opposing the withdrawal are the politicians, generals and defense contractors. At least for now. Once the 2022 and 2024 election cycles heat up, it wouldn't surprise me if "Biden lost Afghanistan" becomes a popular line of attack and all the Trumpers who hate Muslims and minorities suddenly become advocates for the poor Afghani women who are being oppressed under the Taliban.

What negotiations? The Taliban has total control. You think they care about UN recognition?

Hard to call them cowards when they were likely being tricked into certain death but they signed up to lead a puppet government.





If I was an Afghan I’d for sure call them cowards. Off to their condos in Florida.

Wow and the excuse Its Trumps fault we had to honor the deal he made.

You had no problem ripping up every other deal he had.

Biden "you'll never see helicopters plucking people off roofs"

It will be spun as Biden's failure, but the truth is it's a co Trump-Biden failure.

Ben Sasse (R - NE) gets it:

US Senator Ben Sasse, a member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, released a statement on Afghanistan Sunday, saying the US would "regret" its moves and foreign relations would suffer as a consequence.

“The unmitigated disaster in Afghanistan – the shameful, Saigon-like abandonment of Kabul, the brutalization of Afghan women, and the slaughter of our allies – is the predictable outcome of the Trump-Biden doctrine of weakness," Sasse said in a blistering statement.

"History must be clear about this: American troops didn’t lose this war – Donald Trump and Joe Biden deliberately decided to lose. Politicians lied: America’s options were never simply this disgraceful withdrawal or an endless occupation force of 100,000 troops (we haven’t had that in Afghanistan in a decade)."

Sasse continued that US leadership "didn't tell the truth" over how crucial the nation's peace-keeping force to Afghan security was.

"America’s leaders didn’t tell the truth that our small, forward-deployed force of a few thousand was the backbone of intelligence and special forces’ successful work to decapitate terror organizations," his statement read. "The looming defeat will badly hurt American intelligence and give jihadis a safe haven in Afghanistan, again. America will regret this. Our allies will trust us less and our adversaries fear us less. China is already exploiting this latest instance of American retreat. We need a long-term national security strategy.”

Negotiations for how to proceed with the transition of power are per reports already going on between the Taliban and what is left of the former government, exactly where they will lead is an open question, but it seems likely the Taliban want control, and will not accept a transitional government.

But yes, there is indeed a Taliban ambition for a recognized handover of power. It's veneer, but it makes things easier.

This is a disaster. I don't have access to CNN or MSNBC and don't want to take the 5min to figure it out but if anyone wants to be honest and the orange man was in charge of this debacle going down he's be getting burned at the stake by the MSM.

Been there for 20 years and this is the best withdrawal you can come up with? There has to be a ton of well intention Afghans that have helped along the way that should have their ticket out signed and delivered. If anyone that has helped with this grift along the way and is being left out to dry is shameful af.

A piece of me believes that it is some petty ass BS by the military in not planning this correctly and if so is really ****ed.

I'm all for pulling out of this disaster but agree with pretty much everything Shuffle has said. It's indefensible how this is going down and if local Afghans that have helped us along the way are getting left behind to be beheaded.

Chuck Todd asked a good question of Tony Blinken "Why not wait till winter when the Taliban tends to retreat before pulling out" His weak response "we had to honor Trumps Deal"

It's really not anyone's fault. This war was lost a decade ago but the US had plenty of power and resources to make a dignified withdrawal.
This is a clownshow level of performance and this 100% lands on Biden. This is the best you've got? Come on man! They've got the air power and fire power to keep the Taliban at bay for as long as they want with a minute amount of forethought and planning. It's embarrassing af.

It's not anyone's fault and yet somehow it's 100% biden's fault.

The loss of the war/objective is no one's fault. Pretty much impossible but the logistics of the withdrawal falls on the guy in charge.

Was Biden against US invasion of Afghanistan after 9 / 11?

I don't recall him being against it.

So its on all their legacies.

But but but America war bad.

The pacifists are okay with brown people butchering each other.

Leaving 1000-2000 troops there was just too much.

Biden wanted the ending of Afghanistan war on his legacy. He just didn't think the backlash would be this much seeing how Taliban are butchering people left and right.