Interesting as I think the above could actually work in the way China wants.

Not suggesting for a moment that the Taliban will become model citizens with regards to varied minority rights or their religious zealotry but I could see the Taliban allowing the benefits and investment to impact all of their society for the better as opposed to the prior gov't and approach of keeping a proxy power structure in place and allowing them and US interests to mostly loot the wealth flowing in to a select few hands.

I think, in a weird way the Taliban could mirror how the Chinese Communist party operates. They are allowing China to grow and reap the benefits of investment while controlling their greed (playing the long game) but massively supressing any dissent within the country.


Hmmm??? it will be interesting to see.

Taliban, like most countries involved in OBOR, is going to very quickly learn China is anything but reliable.

True.

But regardless of that the Taliban have far more to gain than to lose with China.

They are basically at Point 0, so if China piles money in and builds stuff and then says 'you are not paying your debt or living up to your commitments' what can China really do besides just pull up and leave to punish them? Invade??

(the above is not a commentary on the environmental damage done from mining and other industry China will bring since that would be a risk with any partner they worked with.)

Women being whipped at protests and banned from sports. Chronic you must tell us again how they're going to be ok bc the taliban promised bc that is the single stupidest post I've seen in a long time, if not ever, and that is saying something on this site

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rt-taliban-say

It’s great to see NOW, BLM, and LGBTQ organizations protesting against Biden’s sudden pullout from Afghanistan and how it’s responsible for contributing to destroying minority, women, and gay rights under the Taliban. Oh wait, my mistake, they’re not…

At least China and Russia have strict human rights policies. Oh Wait

I just bet you would Victor. And then be even happier to brag about it in a bar later...

He’d have to leave his mom’s basement first, so that’s not likely to happen. Internet tough guy.

It is not something I really thought of prior but it did dawn on me that China could potentially mentor, pressure and other wise persuade the Taliban into becoming a somewhat productive societal member and functioning country.

Lets all agree that China and the Taliban will never support the type of human rights general society want them to within their borders and there will be continued internal atrocities, but like China, perhaps the Taliban can otherwise act more normally outside their borders and allow growth and national prosperity to happen.

The Russia model or the model the US followed with the Afghan Leadership or Arafat in Palestine, where they basically just pay the leadership to control the citizens while they loot the bank accounts or create Oligarchs like Russia never ends well.

The question is can the Taliban follow more of a China model where it is not all about their personal greed and enrichment and they allow the Chinese investments in their nation (exploitive or not) to benefit the entire country???

I think it is an interesting question and I am curious to see how it plays out. i also know many will be reflexively bothered by the question, so I am bracing for impact. :}

Tells us again how great the USA was for the women

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...r-afghan-women

I don't go to bars. Don't really drink much anyway.

This is closer to the truth. But I'm not trying to be tough. I just follow dear leader like you do.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...signed-up-for/

Maybe bc less gays women and minorities will die under the Taliban than under the occupation?

This has got to be a troll, because no one can seriously believe that.

I never said the u.s. helped anybody there besides their own contractors and robber barons

by the USA own numbers, 90% of the people killed by drones were civilians.

The USA are the baddies.

Nope, not even close. I’m sure women living under the Taliban’s rule right now would completely disagree with you.

Ik it's in your DNA as an American to totally polarize every possible thing imaginable. But they can both suck even if for different reasons

Those same women just lived through 15+ of brutal bloodshed at the hands of American troops, I'm sure the majority are happy for any change in fortune at the moment.

What is the conclusion you are drawing from this?

Yes I know that the NYT is right wing...

Bomb innocents for 20 years straight but as soon as pull out happens it's a huge deal. It was always a huge deal ffs. And lol at u.s. condemning crackdowns by the taliban. Stfu, take your ball and go home

That’s why they were clinging to wheel wells of airplanes.....

But “you’re sure” is a pretty convincing argument.

Complete lie, but good try.

Yeah I kinda doubt that. Call it a hunch.


They only care about what Amerikkka does and demonizing straight white males, that's the real issue here and not the humanitarian catastrophe in Afghanistan! God I so miss you-know-who, he was way better than the new guy

Do you think Afghan women were doing great under US occupation?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/266897/...men-leave.aspx


47% of Afghan women wanted to flee US occupation and there's people here trying to argue that the invading force which caused the deaths of 335,000+ civilians aren't part of the problem.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/summary