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09-17-2022 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
This has already been reported widely.

"NPR was able to interview three of the migrants late Wednesday. "They (the migrants) told us they had recently crossed the border in Texas and were staying at a shelter in San Antonio," NPR's Joel Rose said on Morning Edition.

The migrants said a woman they identified as "Perla" approached them outside the shelter and lured them into boarding the plane, saying they would be flown to Boston where they could get expedited work papers. She provided them with food. The migrants said Perla was still trying to recruit more passengers just hours before their flight."

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/11231...rthas-vineyard
You think there would be video of these interviews if they exist. Please do not show me a video of a lawyer telling us something as well

They were required to sign waivers and knew according to a MSNBC reporter were happy when they arrived. Also lets be honest those 50 individuals received better care than the majority of illegal immigrants

I checked the stats and its no wonder they come it can take 3-4 years before they even see an asylum hearing
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09-17-2022 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
That doesn’t answer my question.
Not much point in following your logic when your premises are completely wrong.
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09-17-2022 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
You think there would be video of these interviews if they exist.
I don't know why you would assume this.
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09-17-2022 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
No point in following your logic when your premises are completely wrong
It’s funny how the simplest policy questions make you break down completely.

Hey Rocco, still think Lucky is arguing in good faith?
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09-17-2022 , 02:46 PM
I get why libs are calling the whole deal a political stunt but it seems to be a good way for Republicans to make their point. The illegals ended up in Florida because the Biden admin flew them in unannounced and under the radar - mostly at night. So is the problem here that the Republicans are moving illegals around in plain sight? Should they try to be as clandestine as the Dems? Would that make libs happier?
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09-17-2022 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
You think there would be video of these interviews if they exist. Please do not show me a video of a lawyer telling us something as well

They were required to sign waivers and knew according to a MSNBC reporter were happy when they arrived. Also lets be honest those 50 individuals received better care than the majority of illegal immigrants

I checked the stats and its no wonder they come it can take 3-4 years before they even see an asylum hearing
So believe one part of the reporting but need video evidence before you’ll believe another part of it?

lol, just blatantly intellectually dishonest trolling as always.
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09-17-2022 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
That is what the worst of tories in the Uk say. Sadly in power as well

Tiny difference imo
As if often the case, I don't understand your post. The worst of the Tories say what?

I wasn't commenting on what the standard for being granted legal asylum in the U.S. should be. I simply was noting that the standard, as a matter of fact, is quite rigorous. A lot of right wing people in the U.S. seems to think that requests for asylum are some sort of casual end run about U.S. immigration policy, which isn't the case at all.
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09-17-2022 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
It’s funny how the simplest policy questions make you break down completely.

Hey Rocco, still think Lucky is arguing in good faith?
Open borders is a complex question. Certainly I want it for myself but it is definitely pro-business interests that push for it. Still it might be preferable to having them be semi-pourous, and would certainly make Mexico better/safer.

How is that?
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09-17-2022 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
It’s funny how the simplest policy questions make you break down completely.

Hey Rocco, still think Lucky is arguing in good faith?
I never commented on whether LB was posting in good faith. He isn't really saying anything. He is just posting to amuse himself and annoy you.
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09-17-2022 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I never commented on whether LB was posting in good faith. He isn't really saying anything. He is just posting to amuse himself and annoy you.
I've said all sorts of stuff here. We also had a whole thread where we discussed immigration in the past and Trolly knows this.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...hlight=culture
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09-17-2022 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
As if often the case, I don't understand your post. The worst of the Tories say what?

I wasn't commenting on what the standard for being granted legal asylum in the U.S. should be. I simply was noting that the standard, as a matter of fact, is quite rigorous. A lot of right wing people in the U.S. seems to think that requests for asylum are some sort of casual end run about U.S. immigration policy, which isn't the case at all.
That there some huge difference between legal and illegal immigrants.
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09-17-2022 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
That there some huge difference between legal and illegal immigrants.
It would help if you used complete sentences; I also can’t tell what you’re trying to say.
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09-17-2022 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
So believe one part of the reporting but need video evidence before you’ll believe another part of it?

lol, just blatantly intellectually dishonest trolling as always.
Are you that stupid? The you tube video i posted earlier shows Migrants that were bussed by Abbot saying they knew were they were going and went willingly. As well if you want you can watch that Right Wing show Smerconish on the right wing network CNN were he shows the MSNBC host saying all the migrants she interviewed were happy to be there and were not tricked per say and were giving maps of were they were being flown to

Ill agree with everyone its a political stunt but a smart one on Desantis part
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09-17-2022 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
That there some huge difference between legal and illegal immigrants.
I think were distinguishing between people that come and claim Asylum and those that do not but are caught trying to cross
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09-17-2022 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
That there some huge difference between legal and illegal immigrants.
What in the world does this have to do with the point I was making?

Last edited by Rococo; 09-17-2022 at 04:26 PM.
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09-17-2022 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I've said all sorts of stuff here. We also had a whole thread where we discussed immigration in the past and Trolly knows this.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...hlight=culture
I wasn't intending to comment on whether you had made substantive posts on this topic in another thread.
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09-17-2022 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Are you that stupid? The you tube video i posted earlier shows Migrants that were bussed by Abbot saying they knew were they were going and went willingly. As well if you want you can watch that Right Wing show Smerconish on the right wing network CNN were he shows the MSNBC host saying all the migrants she interviewed were happy to be there and were not tricked per say and were giving maps of were they were being flown to

Ill agree with everyone its a political stunt but a smart one on Desantis part
You’ve said you won’t believe news reporting unless it’s on video, which is a weird an completely new standard you’ve invented today just so you can handwave away news you don’t like. It’s absurd and dishonest.
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09-17-2022 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Open borders is a complex question. Certainly I want it for myself but it is definitely pro-business interests that push for it. Still it might be preferable to having them be semi-pourous, and would certainly make Mexico better/safer.

How is that?
meaningless and inane. so, right on brand
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09-17-2022 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
You’ve said you won’t believe news reporting unless it’s on video, which is a weird an completely new standard you’ve invented today just so you can handwave away news you don’t like. It’s absurd and dishonest.
Once again how stupid are you?

I questioned why there are no interviews with the migrants on Video. Immigration is a contentious issue and if you are to claim that migrants were tricked into getting on those flights and the dishonest right wing media has interviews on video with migrants saying we were not tricked into getting on other buses to other locations do you due diligence.

Sadly were at a state were no one trusts the media and in many cases rightfully so. Desantis has clearly stated they were not tricked and signed waivers and given maps of were they were going. MSNBC itself has a reporter stating that this is not true.

Political Pawns Yes but please report the facts and sorry interviewing lawyers that say they were tricked as Joe Biden would say Cmon man !
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09-17-2022 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I think were distinguishing between people that come and claim Asylum and those that do not but are caught trying to cross
That seemed pretty clear so I'm not sure why there was confusion.
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09-17-2022 , 06:06 PM
If you acknowledge that many fewer would die if the border was open as compared to how it is now, you still can reasonably complain if you think the border could be changed such that fewer still (even compared to an open border) would die under a different border policy. But as long as you think that an open border policy results in fewer deaths than any non open border policy it means that you would prefer more deaths to open borders.
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09-17-2022 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
If you acknowledge that many fewer would die if the border was open as compared to how it is now, you still can reasonably complain if you think the border could be changed such that fewer still (even compared to an open border) would die under a different border policy. But as long as you think that an open border policy results in fewer deaths than any non open border policy it means that you would prefer more deaths to open borders.
Its impossible to know something like that. Once they attempt to cross the border we know how many dies as many die of drowning as they attempt to cross the Rio Grande. WE have no idea how many die on the journey to the border or are raped. We also have no idea how many when they cross are trafficked .

Many if they had stayed in their countries may have died under criminal influence . Reality is the USA under any circumstances they see as a better life .

There is also talk of Joe Biden flying Migrants to the CDN border to be processed. Though some may not consider the NY post as trustworthy as well.


One think we forget about in the immigration crisis which according to the VP does not exist is visa overstays . That number rivals illegal immigration
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09-17-2022 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by King_of_NYC
meaningless and inane. so, right on brand
What's your take on open borders?
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09-17-2022 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
What's your take on open borders?
What's yours?
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09-17-2022 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Its impossible to know something like that. Once they attempt to cross the border we know how many dies as many die of drowning as they attempt to cross the Rio Grande. WE have no idea how many die on the journey to the border or are raped. We also have no idea how many when they cross are trafficked .

Many if they had stayed in their countries may have died under criminal influence . Reality is the USA under any circumstances they see as a better life .

There is also talk of Joe Biden flying Migrants to the CDN border to be processed. Though some may not consider the NY post as trustworthy as well.


One think we forget about in the immigration crisis which according to the VP does not exist is visa overstays . That number rivals illegal immigration
In any case lots of immigrants think an extra one out of a thousand chance of dying is a chance worth taking.
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