Because they illegally crossed the border of a country and are undocumented? What do you think happens to people when they illegally enter a country?

My old CrossFit gym had several Venezuelans, they weren't exactly a bunch of wokesters.

I believe you, but the hypothetical question of how Venezualans who aren't U.S. citizens would vote if, in fact, they were eligible to vote is obviously irrelevant to the question at hand.

I don't think you are a bad guy, but this argument is uncomfortably adjacent to some ideas that you really, really don't want to be associated with.

I don't think much of shifty, but he is asking the right question. It isn't ideal to pair laws with norms of nonenforcement. That effectively shifts power and responsibility from the legislative branch to the executive branch and to law enforcement.

A rational society would have rational laws that it intended to enforce.

Sure. There is a both sides. Pointing out legal, moral or institutional problems with immigration policy resonates very well with voters. However, trying to resolve such legal, moral or institutional problems with immigration policy is almost invariably deeply unpopular. This is because any solution or compromise will have parts that suck.

Thus immigration policy often gets to exist in that particular political vacuum for issues politicians like to discuss, but not resolve.

However this stunt isn't merely politicians talking and it certainly isn't politicians trying to solve anything. It's just denigrating innocent people and reducing them to props, while using a solid chunk of taxpayer money for what is essentially a political campaign.

It shouldn't really matter if people are in favor or opposed to immigration or if they disagree on how much immigration there should be. Governors and elected politicians should not be treating people like this.

They haven't broken any laws. They're legal asylum-seekers from Venezuela.

Liberals already live in areas that have way more immigrants, undocumented or documented. It's a made up problem designed to give non college educated whites someone besides Republicans and themselves to blame for the fact that they live in some of the crappiest places in the 1st world.

What differentiates an illegal immigrant from a legal asylum seeker? Did they fill out some paperwork with the State Department or something?

So you were spouting opinions on migrants without even knowing the basic facts and laws?

There is a huge difference. There are legal requirements for seeking asylum that are quite rigorous.

Why are you asking me? I’m not a lawyer, go google this if you’re curious.

Hey look: we do have at least one smart one in this thread. Imagine that.

This isn’t a humanitarian issue, an open-your-heart issue, etc. Democrats do not give a damn about these migrants. They simply want to flood Texas and Florida with immigrants to turn those states blue because if those two states turn blue, they will never lose an election again.

Thanks for having a brain, campfirewest.

Again, these people we are discussing are not eligible to vote.

Rococo's excellent reply aside, there is a pretty wide spectrum that exists between "humanitarians with open hearts" and "treat asylum seekers like discarded furniture to get a headline".

While that is true, point still stands that not a single Democrat state is welcoming them to be bussed or flew from Texas/Florida. Not a single one. Funny how a lot of you ignore that fact.

But they will be eventually. Democrats know that and you know that.

The people who insist that immigrants are a net drain on the economy really need to explain why NYC and San Francisco are economic powerhouses.

Have you considered that if you treat these people with basic human compassion they might vote for you? Seems to be working for the Dems.

Oh you mean like “hey everyone, come to America. We will give you free housing and food on the working Americans’ tax dollars. JUST BE SURE YOU STAY IN RED STATES, OKAY?”

Yup. Real compassionate.

There is one party trying to send these people to places against their will.

That one party knows what the Democrats are up to. Democrats want this **** show in the two biggest red states but not their own. I was hoping more people in this thread would be able to open their eyes to the truth. I was wrong.

Silly libtard. It’s not about what you can prove it’s about what you feel

Either way, I made my point. Y’all don’t even have a decent argument against it. I’m done here. Back to the liberals circle jerking and singing kumbaya…..as long as the migrants stay in red states.

I’m out. ✌

The basic historical truth is that immigrants work harder than anyone and contribute more to America than anyone else. The powerhouse of the American economy has always been successive waves of immigrants from all over the world working their asses off and building something great. It used used to be a point of pride that our culture celebrated --there's a titanic lady out front with brass tits and a plaque that basically says "Give us all your desperate people from shithole countries, they are welcome here." It's why refugee hubs like NYC and San Fransisco and Chicago and Los Angeles are economic powerhouses.

The flaw with America is that we have a weird kludge of a political system that disproportionately awards power to lazy slaveowning societies that for generations have been stealing labor from minorities.

And so that's where we are in 2022; tribalist people in backwater former slaveowning states are astonished by the idea that people from Venezuela fleeing tyranny can legally come in to America like their great-grandfathers did. People who are lazy and indolent through of generations of wage theft and inherited wealth absolutely do not want to compete with Central American immigrants, so they concoct all kinds of bullshit reasons why hardworking refugees shouldn't be allowed to enter America, or why they should be diverted to blue states. Man, send all of these people my way and stay poor; you absolute unAmerican clowns are only shooting yourselves in the foot.