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09-16-2022 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
As a Venezuelan I'd certainly rather be in Florida than in Massachusetts. As anyone actually. But I'm sure Martha's Vineyard is a nice place to visit especially this time of year.
This isn't your blog bro. Uniformed opinions on travel go over there <---
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09-16-2022 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by King_of_NYC
This isn't your blog bro. Uniformed opinions on travel go over there <---
Do I know you or is there some reason why you're posting like a complete douche towards me?
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09-16-2022 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Do I know you or is there some reason why you're posting like a complete douche towards me?
Maybe your transparently bad-faith posting has something to do with it?
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09-16-2022 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Maybe your transparently bad-faith posting has something to do with it?
Sounds like projection Trolly.
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09-16-2022 , 12:26 PM
The problem is that if the governors were smart, they would read takes like those of QP TD and Roccoco, restrict the bussing to eager volunteers, and restrict the destinations to places that have good infrastucture. And if they did, the mayors of those new destinations would probably complain almost as loudly (even if they were compensated to the same degree that border states currently are). It may be a publicity stunt. But if done cleverly, would also probably succeed in getting a point across. that some people don't acknowledge.
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09-16-2022 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Do I know you or is there some reason why you're posting like a complete douche towards me?
You're posting uninformed and easily refutable opinions itt in an effort to defend blatantly immoral behavior, and responding to thoughtful replies (that you don't deserve imo) with gibberish. If you think calling this out is bad, that's a you problem

Edit: or what Trolly said
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09-16-2022 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson



Why do these people need to be “picked up” in the first place?
If you aren't going to pick them up then that implies true open borders, which I'm not sure any modern nation-state has ever had. Why do you think it is that no one has ever tried this?
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09-16-2022 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
The problem is that if the governors were smart, they would read takes like those of QP TD and Roccoco, restrict the bussing to eager volunteers, and restrict the destinations to places that have good infrastucture. And if they did, the mayors of those new destinations would probably complain almost as loudly (even if they were compensated to the same degree that border states currently are). It may be a publicity stunt. But if done cleverly, would also probably succeed in getting a point across. that some people don't acknowledge.
I'll assume that these people who boarded the flight to Martha's Vineyard were if not outright lied to (and who knows there--- maybe someone said "it's near Boston" and it was taken to be Boston proper?) then they were spoken to disingenuously about what would be awaiting them when they arrived-- which is obviously wrong but fortunately it's not something that is going work for very long at all
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09-16-2022 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BrookTrout
Restaurants and Hotels in Martha's Vinyard must be ecstatic. I think come winter, when the temperature at night starts getting near freezing, that the Democratic governors of New York and other north-east states send buses of homeless people down to Florida for their own good.
Great idea
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09-16-2022 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
If you aren't going to pick them up then that implies true open borders, which I'm not sure any modern nation-state has ever had. Why do you think it is that no one has ever tried this?
These 50 Venezuelans were legal asylum seekers waiting for their claims to be processed. It’s perfectly legal for them to be here and there was no reason for DeSantis to pick them up.

Even countries with closed borders let in refugees.
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09-16-2022 , 12:59 PM
So the expected number of migrants coming into the USA is projected to be close to 2 million in 2022 and that does not include the ones that make it across and are not caught.

What would the state of Texas get from the Federal Government to process and house these people in $$$ If anything at all

What would you suggest you do with all these people as they await their hearings that may take years and may never show up?
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09-16-2022 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
The problem is that if the governors were smart, they would read takes like those of QP TD and Roccoco, restrict the bussing to eager volunteers, and restrict the destinations to places that have good infrastucture. And if they did, the mayors of those new destinations would probably complain almost as loudly (even if they were compensated to the same degree that border states currently are). It may be a publicity stunt. But if done cleverly, would also probably succeed in getting a point across. that some people don't acknowledge.
I wonder how many volunteers you would get if you told them exactly what you were doing and why you were doing it.

Last edited by Rococo; 09-16-2022 at 01:15 PM.
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09-16-2022 , 01:11 PM
https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/n...e/10396237002/

They are on their way to Cape Cod. They're probably going to end up making out better with all the publicity which is the ironic part about all this moral wrangling here

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Local police and staff with the Massachusetts Emergency Management Agency made way for the procession of people to board the buses. As they passed flashing cameras clutching bags, each person stopped to bid farewell to the Islanders who had welcomed them.

The Martha’s Vineyard Regional Transit buses were bound for the Vineyard Haven ferry terminal.

Standing on the shoreline, migrant Everlides Dela Hoz said she didn’t know where she was headed. She said she was told there would be beds and that it would be safe. She said they were promised help finding work.
The horror. Venezuelans are great people and I've gotten to know a lot of them from travelling South America. They're going to be fine in the US or at least better off than the ones in tent cities in Colombia.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 09-16-2022 at 01:16 PM.
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09-16-2022 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BrookTrout
I think come winter, when the temperature at night starts getting near freezing, that the Democratic governors of New York and other north-east states send buses of homeless people down to Florida for their own good.
For better or worse, many major U.S. cities have run homeless relocation programs for decades. Those programs basically amount to a free bus to ticket to wherever. The relocations help some people, but there are plenty of very legitimate complaints as well. And some cities require people who accept bus tickets to acknowledge that they will be ineligible for support services if they return.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-country-study
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09-16-2022 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
As well those that were interviewed said they know they will get in . Yes technically the border is closed but the message being sent is now is the time to come and its wide open

As for people that said many travelled weeks. Many have travelled months as well.

Yes Desantis or Abbott are playing politics but heck Desantis flew them there .

Do you think many of these migrants will return to Texas or Florida for their hearings?

Didnt the Chicago mayor quietly ship her migrants somewhere else as well? Or is that a right wing talking point
The question is 'who is sending that message' as I am sure Trump factions would be very happy to send it prior to the midterms. Would it surprise anyone if they are paying an army of 'coyote types' to tell people the time is now and then arranging travel for them?

Re the Chicago mayor, I have no knowledge of that. But I will offer an educated guess that if they 'quietly did send migrants elsewhere' it was all arranged and not a surprise and it was because they were prepared for them and had the services to help. The right wing talking point would be try and make that a 'whataboutism' ignoring all of that and just pretending it is somehow equivalent because they shipped them.

I personally do not see it as wrong, if Texas and Florida demanded of the Fed and other States to share the load more, where it made sense and to ship them as arranged.
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09-16-2022 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
The problem is that if the governors were smart, they would read takes like those of QP TD and Roccoco, restrict the bussing to eager volunteers, and restrict the destinations to places that have good infrastucture. And if they did, the mayors of those new destinations would probably complain almost as loudly (even if they were compensated to the same degree that border states currently are). It may be a publicity stunt. But if done cleverly, would also probably succeed in getting a point across. that some people don't acknowledge.
If people were smarter generally they would ALL read my takes! :}}}

While I agree with you that would be the better National Strategy, and one that could even maybe garner them support amongst the more moderate and independent voters, this for DeSantis and Abbott is a pure base play.

the one thing the Trump base has rewarded and shown they have a blood lust for is cruelty with little purpose. Cruelty just because you can. As long as it is pointed at the right 'others'.


So we see a litany of Trumpist in the primaries all trying to out cruel and crazy one another to get the base vote, and we are going to continue to see these two governors and anyone else hoping Trump falls and they can inherit Trumps base to win the GOP Primaries for POTUS.

This was DeSantis firing a shot across Abbott's bow, to ensure he does not make headway with the base with his 'deportation' stuff, and to ensure the base see DeSantis still leads in the 'deplorable' category.


Gotta nip those upstarts in the bud before they take root!
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09-16-2022 , 01:51 PM
If it does end up that they end up better off and better taken care of in Massachusetts, should DeSantis send more?
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09-16-2022 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
If it does end up that they end up better off and better taken care of in Massachusetts, should DeSantis send more?
Ignoring the obviously patronizing “taken care of,” how these people wind up faring does not make it okay for DeSantis to dupe people into being used as human props.
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09-16-2022 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Ignoring the obviously patronizing “taken care of,” how these people wind up faring does not make it okay for DeSantis to dupe people into being used as human props.
Lol. How is that patronizing? You realize they've been living at a church right? And the Bolivar won't get you too far in Caracas let alone Martha's Vineyard.

And no I don't think it justifies it although I do think that's a debatable question.
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09-16-2022 , 02:05 PM
How people are treated in Caracas has no bearing on the morality of DeSantis’s publicity stunt. You’re smart enough to know this.
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09-16-2022 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
How people are treated in Caracas has no bearing on the morality of DeSantis’s publicity stunt. You’re smart enough to know this.
Learn to read.
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09-16-2022 , 02:10 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...nts/index.html

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In the hours after roughly 50 migrants touched down on Martha's Vineyard in two planes sent by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, the island's community -- still jarred by the unexpected arrival -- rushed to help the newcomers.

"We received food, we received clothes, we received ... different things, so much so that we've had to relocated that donation drop-off spot to the fire department," Edgartown, Massachusetts, town administrator James Hagerty told CNN Wednesday.

Town officials even had to post on social media that they didn't need more donations, Hagerty added, as items continued to pour in.
Such cruelty. Had they made it to Boston it would be so much better for them.

In Boston everyone gets a car, a job, and a place to live instantly upon arrival. Whereas in Martha's Vineyard they have to rely on individuals donating stuff and sleeping in a church.
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09-16-2022 , 02:13 PM
Is definitely not right wing LB stanning for DeSantis?

No way!
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09-16-2022 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Is definitely not right wing LB stanning for DeSantis?

No way!
Not stanning for DeSantis-- I'm making fun of people like you.
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09-16-2022 , 02:18 PM
I read it wasn't even a direct flight to Massachusetts. That's really where the cruelty has to be. And the in flight movie was awful.
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