Yes. That's what i was taking about.

Btw, micro, it's nice to see you back around these parts. Whether we agree or disagree, i almost always find your perspective to be thoughtful and informed.

. Thank you, and ditto.

This source mainly.

http://https://www.americanimmigrati...-united-states

I must admit I only scanned it briefly the other day. However after another closer look I see that Title 42 has not been rescinded and is still in force.

Title 42 essentially means that the right to seek asylum has largely been suspended. That means that any person crossing the border can be detained and/or removed without recourse.

So there you go. How about that?

The sense of entitlement you feel to imagine you have the right to tell someone else they can't walk from one place to another maybe thousands of miles away from you is just mindboggling and that you would have people with guns paid to abduct and imprison these people betrays an almost unfathomable hatred of freedom.

it's the same as people being born into wealth and thinking they are self made.

we won the genetic-geographic lottery compared to a lot of other people, and a lot of people(mainly republicans) act like they are special or better because of it.

Worse, they act like they earned it. The world would be much better off if people came to realize that likely everything comes down to luck in the end. You didn't just not earn your birth place but also not your parents and the genetics and upbringing that comes with that.

I suppose you think most millionaires hit the parent jackpot and inherited their wealth.

The Canadian dude not grasping the concept of a bilingual document is pure comedy gold.

I think they either inherited the money or the genetics/upbringing that gave them the ability and desire to make that money along with all the other external luck that worked out in their favor.

There are over 20 million millionaires in the US and the average age is 62. The typical millionaire just bought a house 30 years ago in a place with high land values now. Something like 90% of millionaires got there through real estate.

And the appreciation of land is largely due to social effects, like thriving economies in cities which have grown through things like immigration.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/majo...ew-report.html

By the way not supporting what DeSantis did

Which doesn't contradict what he said.

I would take a little different view, that those who are "self-made" have gotten where they are through a mix of privilege, luck, and their own work. That mix will vary from person to person, and of course some will give little to no credit to the first two factors.

I don't know what this statement means. Assume that you bought a house in Florida in 2010 for $500,000. Now it's worth $1.1 million and you have $800,000 of equity in the house. You also have other assets worth $2.1 million.

You are a millionaire. Are you part of the 90% who "got there" through real estate?

Not to mention Martha's Vineyard was specifically chosen because of the logistics problems it would create.

Are you implying that among democrats its less than 50%?

I looked up things that tried to estimate it and it's too complicated to briefly summarize. Take it as an estimate, but it's also something I think is pretty much obviously approximately true in a kind of fuzzy way.

You are making some pretty wild assumptions there bro.

You know nothing about me and what I hate or don't hate. How does me trying to clarify the current laws related to asylum seekers make me a hater of freedom exactly? I'm curious as to how you arrive at that bizarre conclusion.

Yeah, I'm aware of the statistic. My point was I think it's literally impossible to be self made in the way meant here. Every millionaire is running hot. None of them chose to have greater intelligence, or work ethic, or interest in whatever it was that made them rich. They likewise didn't choose to not have hindrances to becoming a millionaire. Those were all things that are either innate or the result of things that acted upon innate attributes. None of them chose the external events that favorably coincided with their cognitive state. I think everyone understands you dont choose things like affinity for certain flavors of food. Nobody chooses to like vanilla, they just do. I think everything else works that way too. Things seem like choices but you're actually compelled to do them by desires you did not choose.

This argument proves too much. By this logic, there is no such thing as a self-made anything, whether that thing is wealthy corporate executive, successful entrepreneur, pickpocket, chess grandmaster, contract killer, civil rights activist, white supremacist, NBA point guard, or pedophile.

Genetics, environmental factors, and circumstance surely factor into all of these outcomes. But almost no one thinks that life is so deterministic as to make it impossible to assign a person any credit or any blame for turning into any of those things.

If you think essentially everyone who has made their way to the border should be allowed to freely enter and remain in the US, I'm mistaken and apologize.

Once he includes things like ambition, empathy and willpower in his thesis he has made himself unfalsifiable. I might agree. My only request of him is that if he is actually rooting for certain right winger's death as is common these days, he doesn't add that the death should be "painful" (unless that would somehow help the cause) since it would contradict that thesis.

Meh, I think it seems more likely than not that the universe is a mix of determined and truly random, neither of which really support giving anyone any credit or blame for anything and mostly we have an illusion of volition that is more our perception of our narration after the fact than based on intentions or will.

But, shrug, it's better to not talk about that most of the time.

self-made is basically a nonsense term now anyway.. that link doesn't even detail what they mean by the term. for example would me being able to get my parents to cosign a 300k loan to start a business make me self made when that business succeeds? because i would bet 100% of the people that do that think they made it SOLELY by themselves..