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01-29-2024 , 12:39 PM
The main demographic where someone like Haley would outperform Trump is college educated women. That group tends to place a lot of value on abortion rights and treating women respectfully, which obviously are areas where Trump rates poorly. Unsurprisingly, that demographic has been a real drag on Trump's electability.

I learned recently that the gender gap mostly went in the opposite direction prior to 1980, which was somewhat surprising to me.

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01-29-2024 , 12:41 PM
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Enduring popularity with older voters could be a major asset for Biden in his just-announced reelection campaign. Though no Democratic presidential candidate has carried seniors — those 65 and older — since Al Gore in 2000, Biden limited his losses among that cohort, losing them by a mid-single-digit margin in 2020, according to exit polls. (By contrast, Republicans carried the senior vote by roughly twice that margin — 10 or 12 points, depending on the voter survey, in the 2022 midterm elections.)

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...oters-00094515
I don't know about the mid terms, but the statistics I cited for the last four presidential elections are correct. Just google "Roper presidential election [YEAR]."
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01-29-2024 , 01:21 PM
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If the election is Trump v. Biden, does anyone think that more than seven states (Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona, North Carolina, and Georgia) are truly in play?

I guess someone could make a case for spending time in Virginia, Minnesota, Florida, or NH, but I don't see it. Virginia might be in play for an establishment Republican, but not for Trump. Florida already is red and seems to be getting redder. The opposite is true for NH. Biden seems about the right speed for Minnesota.

Iowa, Ohio, and Colorado have been swing states in the past, but not any more.

If you focus on the swing states, I think it is easier to make the case that Trump is the wrong candidate for the Republicans than it is to make the case that Biden is the wrong candidate for the Democrats. No matter how you slice the map, if the Democrat or the Republican sweeps the swing states in the midwest, the election is over. I don't know for sure, but my gut tells me that a less volatile Republican would do better in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania than Trump will. Newsome is probably the most realistic alternative to Biden on the Democratic side. I suspect that Newsome would get more votes overall than Biden, but I'm not convinced that he would do better in Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania. (Newsome probably would do better than Biden in Arizona, Nevada, and maybe NC, but those swing states are less important.) I think the Republicans carry Georgia no matter who the candidates are, albeit by a small margin. Biden relied on a near perfect storm of events to win Georgia last time that isn't likely to occur again.

Bottom line -- I really think the Republicans would win this election if someone other than Trump were the nominee.
I was a big fan of Newsom 6-7 years ago and thought he was a better candidate than Biden and thought he may run. He is a great politician that looks and speaks well but his record in California may hurt him in a general.

I agree with you on your bottom line but would add in my Bottom Line

I think the Democrats would win if someone either than Biden was on the ballot
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01-29-2024 , 01:39 PM
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yeah. i've kind of always thought that anyone but Trump probably beats Biden. but Biden beats trump.
Trumps not going to quierwky go away if Haley wins the nomination. He’ll be spreading all sorts of nonsense about how she committed crimes to steal it from him.
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01-29-2024 , 10:37 PM
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Are you under the impression that Michelle Obama is running for president?
spooner is heavily invested in the Michelle Obama dem nominee narrative

11/21/23

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Have bets on Michelle Obama for Dem nominee since about 4 months now, in at an average of a healthy +2900 and +6000 for pres, some Newsom to cover for hedge and scraps at +1050

Better EV than laying against Biden at -200 even though I think that's +EV as well
1/16/24

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Just about done wagering MObama as dem nominee , larger position on this than to run as pres. Some Newsome to cover as a bit of an anti-climax . I do not see Biden running at all next round for a 2nd term. In fact, I see more of a chance of him dropping out before the end of his term than him running again. Lockup quite gnarly for the EV so I like taking the 2 likely replacements for smaller size.
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01-30-2024 , 02:42 PM
Hope we elect some old guy as president
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01-30-2024 , 02:50 PM
I feel woman will be the deciding factor on who’s elected .
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01-30-2024 , 02:51 PM
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Hope we elect some old guy as president
well, guess who votes - old people
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01-30-2024 , 02:53 PM
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I feel woman will be the deciding factor on who’s elected .
Republicans seem dead set on making Taylor Swift out to be political opposition which is hilarious.

Many in her fan base are borderline cultists. As dumb as it sounds, this is how you get many young women to vote left (as if they needed more motivation)
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01-30-2024 , 03:15 PM
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Republicans seem dead set on making Taylor Swift out to be political opposition which is hilarious.

Many in her fan base are borderline cultists. As dumb as it sounds, this is how you get many young women to vote left (as if they needed more motivation)
funny you mention that, last night i came across some random stuff poking fun at idiots who were posting "we need to promoto bobert as the answer to taylor swift" and I thought they were just finding outlier idiots and poking fun at them

also seen a bunch of people on twitter talking about needing to root for the ravens just because of taylor

but man, if that's a thing, like a genuine thing then that's going to backfire tremendously

idk if she's gotten political or not, but her fan base are absolutely rabid and likely don't vote, if voting for democrats was suddenly aligned with supporting taylor that could easily bump up a 5 figure voting bloc out of the void

would be incredibly dumb and tone deaf imo but they've had so much success for so long targeting "hollywood elite" that I can see how they are just going to do it anyway to "rile up the base"
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01-30-2024 , 03:57 PM
What, did she drink some bud light or something?
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01-30-2024 , 04:42 PM
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Republicans seem dead set on making Taylor Swift out to be political opposition which is hilarious.

Many in her fan base are borderline cultists. As dumb as it sounds, this is how you get many young women to vote left (as if they needed more motivation)
If you can Get Taylor Swift to endorse you all the power in the world. I respect the fact that she gets politically involved in State issues and if she wants to go Federal The GOP can counter with Rosanne Barr
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01-30-2024 , 05:05 PM
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The GOP can counter with Rosanne Barr
I hear she sings a mean national anthem.
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01-30-2024 , 06:11 PM
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Republicans seem dead set on making Taylor Swift out to be political opposition which is hilarious.

Many in her fan base are borderline cultists. As dumb as it sounds, this is how you get many young women to vote left (as if they needed more motivation)
Yeah I hate the chiefs and sure the whole thing is kinda annoying but lol at making it political.
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01-30-2024 , 07:04 PM
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If you can Get Taylor Swift to endorse you all the power in the world. I respect the fact that she gets politically involved in State issues and if she wants to go Federal The GOP can counter with Rosanne Barr
republicans against tailor swift is one of the biggest mistakes they could do ever.

they went crazy because Swift was very pro "go vote", but they fail to understand a ton of Swift followers are very far from being leftist crazies, they are actually very normal people who could easily vote republicans if republicans don't suicide themselves.

I see something similar with the debacle of republicans with Latinos vote before trump (trump for some reasons seems capable of capturing Latinos vote)
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01-30-2024 , 07:05 PM
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republicans against tailor swift is one of the biggest mistakes they could do ever.

they went crazy because Swift was very pro "go vote", but they fail to understand a ton of Swift followers are very far from being leftist crazies, they are actually very normal people who could easily vote republicans if republicans don't suicide themselves.

I see something similar with the debacle of republicans with Latinos vote before trump (trump for some reasons seems capable of capturing Latinos vote)

Let’s also remember lots of these young swifties are like the squad and pro Hamas and they are upset at Bidens support for Israel

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01-30-2024 , 07:08 PM
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Let’s also remember lots of these young swifties are like the squad and pro Hamas and they are upset at Bidens support for Israel
actually, not really, and those will vote whatever sick leftist they want to no matter swift or others.

think about all the political normies pls.

the "already in the field" actually don't matter at all. they vote the same no matter your actions

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01-30-2024 , 07:16 PM
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the "already in the field" actually don't matter at all. they vote the same no matter your actions
this, it's about which people weren't going to vote but now will
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02-04-2024 , 05:35 PM
New truly bipartisan poll came out (one democrat and one republican pollster togheter), looking really bad for Biden.

Sample is smallish though

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ace-rcna136834





As a foreigner, the "improve American image" answer is baffling though, which countries do they have in mind when they answer Trump ?
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02-04-2024 , 08:22 PM
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New truly bipartisan poll came out (one democrat and one republican pollster togheter), looking really bad for Biden.

Sample is smallish though

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ace-rcna136834





As a foreigner, the "improve American image" answer is baffling though, which countries do they have in mind when they answer Trump ?
It’s like any other questions .
It’s nonsense answers like the one u highlight.
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02-05-2024 , 09:01 AM
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looking really bad for Biden.
incumbent president’s approval rating in New Hampshire at just 38% — the same survey
found Biden leading Donald Trump in a hypothetical general election match-up, 52% to 45%.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...ing-rcna136793

Biden and the Democratic Party have a significant cash advantage over Republicans at the moment.
That could change in the coming months, but so far it’s a sign that Democratic donors are
reasonably engaged with the party and that Republicans have some financial vulnerabilities.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...den-rcna137059

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02-05-2024 , 11:54 AM
What is the current thinking regarding "shy" Trump voters, namely those who intend to vote for him but don't confess to that in polls or otherwise? I remember that being seen as a major factor in why 2016 went the way it did. This time around I feel like with his image somehow worse than it was in 2016, it could be even more prevalent. Add to that the baked in 40-45% people who would still likely vote for Trump even if he personally decapitated their entire family, and I do feel the ingredients are there for him to once again show even better than polls suggest, which, if I'm a democrat and I see those above trends, scares the bejesus out of me.
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02-05-2024 , 11:59 AM
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What is the current thinking regarding "shy" Trump voters, namely those who intend to vote for him but don't confess to that in polls or otherwise? I remember that being seen as a major factor in why 2016 went the way it did. This time around I feel like with his image somehow worse than it was in 2016, it could be even more prevalent. Add to that the baked in 40-45% people who would still likely vote for Trump even if he personally decapitated their entire family, and I do feel the ingredients are there for him to once again show even better than polls suggest, which, if I'm a democrat and I see those above trends, scares the bejesus out of me.
Afaik that's not a thing anymore, people don't feel they have to hide their preferences this round, pollsters don't talk about "shy trump voters" anymore when discussing technicalities and so on.

That at least is my limited understanding of the matter.

Trends are currently slightly positive for democrats because michigan consumer sentiment index is improving really fast & headline inflation is calming down, among other things.

But remember the election is actually only about some specific states, everywhere else it doesn't matter, so national polls can give you a national pulse of the situation, but presidential election outcomes will still be linked uniquely to the opinion of people living in a bunch of so called purple state. The opinion of everyone else doesn't matter.
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02-05-2024 , 12:23 PM
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Afaik that's not a thing anymore, people don't feel they have to hide their preferences this round, pollsters don't talk about "shy trump voters" anymore when discussing technicalities and so on.

That at least is my limited understanding of the matter.

Trends are currently slightly positive for democrats because michigan consumer sentiment index is improving really fast & headline inflation is calming down, among other things.

But remember the election is actually only about some specific states, everywhere else it doesn't matter, so national polls can give you a national pulse of the situation, but presidential election outcomes will still be linked uniquely to the opinion of people living in a bunch of so called purple state. The opinion of everyone else doesn't matter.
I would agree the economy is performing unbelievable even Larry Kudlow has said that but is the every day American feeling it in their pocketbooks? The overall cost of living is high

The other element that is big is immigration . In many cities your seeing the poorer communities having their rec center's or schools being used fore housing migrants. In New York they are giving out prepaid credit cards to migrants and in California Gavin is spending 3 billion on Universal health care for migrants . Add in all the money for Ukraine and many folks are saying What about me ?

The immigration bill on the table looks pretty good but its no HR2 . Heck Biden is even going to build more walls with this bill. Though its dead in the water with the house. Yes they are playing politics but do you think the Democrats would be giving up so much if it wasn't killing them in the polls

Biden has the worst numbers of any incumbent president worse than Jimmy Carter but there is lots of time to change them . Though if he cared about the country he would drop out
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02-05-2024 , 01:57 PM
The immigration deal, if it goes through, would be a very very very significant win for Biden coming the elections. It could make the difference. Move to the center, admitting past mistakes, for the good of the country, that kind of stuff is really big with independents, males especially (women he is winning already because of abortion and other issues).
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