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01-25-2024 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
well perhaps you shouldn't promise something that you can't get done, especially when people are going to financially plan around it
Nobody should financially plan on having their loans forgiven.
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01-25-2024 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
well perhaps you shouldn't promise something that you can't get done, especially when people are going to financially plan around it
There was no promise, just an application

I find the comment to be incredibly bad faith. They tried to do something good for many individuals and were ultimately blocked by opposition on grounds of.... cruelty?

**** those *******s for trying to do something good though, amirite?
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01-25-2024 , 04:30 PM
in case people aren't paying attention.....

GOP was close to having a border deal done and guess who torpedoed it? Wasn't Biden.
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01-25-2024 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
The answer ought to be 100% because you could then take that money and donate it to underprivileged people.

I'm willing to say some racist stuff myself for 1 million and I promise to donate 990 thousand of it, if you want to start a GoFundMe.
I was assuming that the $1 million was for personal gain. I think we can safely assume that Trump isn't catering to white supremacists and racists as part of some elaborate plan to donate to charity.
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01-25-2024 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I was assuming that the $1 million was for personal gain. I think we can safely assume that Trump isn't catering to white supremacists and racists as part of some elaborate plan to donate to charity.
I didn't realize we were talking about Trump-- I just saw you say that there was a distinction not worth parsing and so I felt like parsing it for fun.
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01-25-2024 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
it was a massive bait and switch where basically everyone i know thought that was getting wiped with a lot of loud announcements and pomp and circumstance and then quietly learn via whispers that very few actually will get it
This is a somewhat disingenuous criticism of Biden. He never signed on to or promised the massive student loan forgiveness program that progressives were pushing for. I honestly don't think that he much enthusiasm for idea. And he seems to have eventually agreed to a half measure mainly to appease the progressive wing of the party.
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01-25-2024 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I didn't realize we were talking about Trump-- I just saw you say that there was a distinction not worth parsing and so I felt like parsing it for fun.
My original statement was in response to a post about Trump, but no worries.
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01-25-2024 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Joe Biden's open borders policy
Trump broke immigration and won't let anyone fix it. The GOP is blaming the nearest Democrat.

If Republicans are truly looking for whom to blame for chaos at the border and beyond, they should look in the mirror.

It’s been almost a decade since the last bipartisan attempt at reform,
and that effort was stymied by Republicans, not Democrats.

House Republicans are still rejecting the idea of a compromise

Republicans want a return to the very Trump-era policies
that artificially built up the pressure at the southern border.
Trump’s agenda created a massive backlog of asylum claims that only began to be relieved under Biden.

More than half of Americans believe that the border “is open and laws are unenforced.”
And, crucially, there’s evidence that this disinformation has actually
spurred more Central American migrants toward the southern border.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...ote-rcna135503
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01-25-2024 , 04:45 PM
c'mon guys, student loan forgiveness was a big promise of his and he's done many tone deaf victory laps on this even after the bait and switch

most people i know, even huge supporters of his, are very upset about how this went down
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01-25-2024 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
Trump broke immigration and won't let anyone fix it. The GOP is blaming the nearest Democrat.

If Republicans are truly looking for whom to blame for chaos at the border and beyond, they should look in the mirror.

It’s been almost a decade since the last bipartisan attempt at reform,
and that effort was stymied by Republicans, not Democrats.

House Republicans are still rejecting the idea of a compromise

Republicans want a return to the very Trump-era policies
that artificially built up the pressure at the southern border.
Trump’s agenda created a massive backlog of asylum claims that only began to be relieved under Biden.

More than half of Americans believe that the border “is open and laws are unenforced.”
And, crucially, there’s evidence that this disinformation has actually
spurred more Central American migrants toward the southern border.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...ote-rcna135503
Yeah Yeah the Democrats say we have a comprehensive package for border security but will not release it. The GOP has HR 2 on the table

If Biden wins we could see 20 million migrants crossing the border in his next term and they all will be paying the cartels

Lets not forget Joe Biden I will not build another foot of wall. Oh Oh were losing in Arizona Ok Ill build the wall but I have to
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01-25-2024 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
Nobody should financially plan on having their loans forgiven.
That treatment is reserved for corporations and banks. I wish I were a corporation or a bank
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01-25-2024 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
I vote Bloc Québécois u idiot
Stop lying .
Stop speaking stuff u know **** about .
Not because I think trudeau is less an idiot then polievre I automatically vote trudeau .
That is your line of thinking not mine .

Fwiw rococo , that is something happened in dress up party with an Arabian night theme at a school like 25 years ago .
He was more of Maharaja then what lozen try to portrait .

Canada never had a blackface problem , that an American thing so obv at that time no Ill intention obv.
To imply the trudeau family , from his father to Justin being racist is the funniest lie ever .

Now due to social media many perception changed so today it wouldn’t be acceptable but at that time no one in Canada even knew about what blackface was all about ….
I mean that event happened like 7 years before the movie tropic thunder ffs.
It’s just more bs of lozen trying to spin something that isn’t true .

Just look at the picture ….
Not true that was a different incident as there were three of them back when nobody had cell phones . When asked if there were others his reply I do not know . Lets add in the sexual assault of a reporter and his Bollywood dressup but you guys give him a pass cause he is a lefty

No one knew what blackface was?
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01-25-2024 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
c'mon guys, student loan forgiveness was a big promise of his and he's done many tone deaf victory laps on this even after the bait and switch

He didn't make the promises you're alleging and the people who are mad about lack of student debt relief should probably direct their ire at Republicans who obstructed his relief plan.
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01-25-2024 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
lol

inflation reduction act printed more money

spr is both controversial and something every president does... and they'll need to rebuy it later so it's just a bandaid


but as a canuck i forgive you for thinking the student loan thing won him some fans, it's in fact done the opposite

he floated hard that all these tens of millions of people would have their student loans forgiven so hang in tight

as a result many ramped down payments to the minimum, thinking it was dumb to pay off what would get wiped

then it's held up and won't happen, then it will happen but kind of

less than 1% of the people who he told would get that debt forgiven ended up getting it forgiven - it didn't help out anyone who grew up middle class as the only way to qualify was if your parents were on welfare when you went to college

so now there's millions of middle aged middle class americans who weren't just misled and lied to, but also disrupted their financial planning around this event that never fired

student loans fiasco alone could very well cost biden the election


if there weren't already so many flaws of him and dislikable things like stumbling on stage and being called genocidejoe then the student loans fiasco would get a whole lot more attention - it was a massive bait and switch where basically everyone i know thought that was getting wiped with a lot of loud announcements and pomp and circumstance and then quietly learn via whispers that very few actually will get it
- that money printed went into people that needs it for once and if it created inflation how come the inflation gets getting lower for ?

reduction act came into effect august 2022 with inflation at near peak 8.26%.
today where is it exactly ?
https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_inflation_rate


- SPR was just a band aid yes but it did help bring inflation down and help people which is what lozen was asking...
yes they will have to rebuy it but at least they sold the SPR at a VERY good price at that time and they will buy it at a much lower price they sell it !



- the student loan i was referring to have a break in payment , not about an whole forgiveness of the debts.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/01/how-...e-economy.html

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"The pandemic-era pause on federal student loan payments ends Sunday, leaving as many as 40 million Americans on the hook for a new monthly bill."
But if u really want to speak about forgiving student loans we can do so....
fwiw the fiasco isnt the student loans debt, its the cost of the education system that create the student loan debts to begin with.

But hey u can blame biden all u want for Americans bad mismanagement of their finances...
i know its a new thing that Americans mismanage their money right ?

So yeah i disagree, biden did pass policies that help people in the short time which is actually what government job is in moment of crisis.
US economy is still ok and far better then anywhere else in the world
low unemployment
far less inflation in the US then many other countries
gdp still up.
where did he failed exactly ?

Last edited by Montrealcorp; 01-25-2024 at 05:02 PM.
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01-25-2024 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Yeah Yeah the Democrats say we have a comprehensive package for border security but will not release it. The GOP has HR 2 on the table

If Biden wins we could see 20 million migrants crossing the border in his next term and they all will be paying the cartels

Lets not forget Joe Biden I will not build another foot of wall. Oh Oh were losing in Arizona Ok Ill build the wall but I have to
i got a fool proof way to stop them from paying cartels. if that ever actually was your real concern.

HR 2 is a non starter. it's awful and dehumanizing which is the intent because republicans hate brown people. and in fact would be even more awful for those migrant children you are pretending to care about.
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01-25-2024 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
c'mon guys, student loan forgiveness was a big promise of his and he's done many tone deaf victory laps on this even after the bait and switch

most people i know, even huge supporters of his, are very upset about how this went down
Saying "c'mon guys" doesn't make it so. On several occasions when he was running for president, including one time during a debate if my memory is correct, Biden was asked point blank whether he would promise to implement the progressive version of student loan forgiveness. He always refused, much to the irritation and frustration of progressives in the party.

He clearly wanted voters to believe he would do something, but he didn't want to seem too far to the left on that particular issue.

Last edited by Rococo; 01-25-2024 at 05:08 PM.
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01-25-2024 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
He didn't make the promises you're alleging and the people who are mad about lack of student debt relief should probably direct their ire at Republicans who obstructed his relief plan.
+1
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01-25-2024 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
That treatment is reserved for corporations and banks. I wish I were a corporation or a bank
ummm..... too big to fail?? Yeah, that's messed up. It's also messed up that we've stuck an entire generation with bills for the rest of their lives just to get an education. Whole system is bad.
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01-25-2024 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
i got a fool proof way to stop them from paying cartels. if that ever actually was your real concern.
It is of course possible for pretty much anyone to get on a plane and come to the US-- no cartels needed--- you just need to meet the visa requirements in some cases or come from a visa exempt country. But plenty of people from mexico, central, and south america travel legally to the US all the time.

I would be all for eliminating visa requirements myself but it would probably make those flights back a lot more expensive.
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01-25-2024 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Saying "c'mon guys" doesn't make it so. On several occasions when he was running for president, including one time during a debate if my memory is correct, Biden was asked point blank whether he would promise to implement the progressive version of student loan forgiveness. He always refused, much to the irritation and frustration of progressives in the party.
Actually both Biden and Pelosi said it would not hold up to a supreme court ruling and congress has to pass .

Gave lots of students false hope. Fix the system that education costs that much instead of forgiving student loans
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01-25-2024 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
i got a fool proof way to stop them from paying cartels. if that ever actually was your real concern.

HR 2 is a non starter. it's awful and dehumanizing which is the intent because republicans hate brown people. and in fact would be even more awful for those migrant children you are pretending to care about.
I would be curious what your fool proof method would be ?
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01-25-2024 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Not true that was a different incident as there were three of them back when nobody had cell phones . When asked if there were others his reply I do not know . Lets add in the sexual assault of a reporter and his Bollywood dressup but you guys give him a pass cause he is a lefty

No one knew what blackface was?
blackface, i had no idea wtf it was in 2000 and no one i know of either.
i had to search it and again even Hollywood
(Hollywood !!!!! huge lefty business yah ?)
made a movie with a black face in 2008 called tropic thunder .
blackface was not a thing by a million miles on the radar.

other event was even prior then what u alluded too.

w.e makes u happy on why u think i gave him a pass.
hIs not even portraying a black ffs.
its a freakn Maharaja, a freakn KING of some sorts !
what insulting about that ?!?!?!

it as nothing to do with right or left, only people like u that try to politicized everything do so and think like u do.
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01-25-2024 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Saying "c'mon guys" doesn't make it so. On several occasions when he was running for president, including one time during a debate if my memory is correct, Biden was asked point blank whether he would promise to implement the progressive version of student loan forgiveness. He always refused, much to the irritation and frustration of progressives in the party.

He clearly wanted voters to believe he would do something, but he didn't want to seem too far to the left on that particular issue.
worked here
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01-25-2024 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
blackface, i had no idea wtf it was in 2000 and no one i know of either.
i had to search it and again even hollywood made a movie with a black face in 2008 called tropic thunder .
blackface was not a thing by a million miles on the radar.

other event was even prior then what u alluded too.

w.e makes u happy on why u think i gave him a pass.
hIs not even portraying a black ffs.
its a freakn Maharaja, a freakn KING of some sorts !
what insulting about that ?!?!?!

it as nothing to do with right or left, only people like u that try to politicized everything do do and think like u do.
So you vote for a party that wants to separate from Canada
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01-25-2024 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Actually both Biden and Pelosi said it would not hold up to a supreme court ruling and congress has to pass .
I don't know what these words mean when placed in this order.
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