Oh listen. Newsom is the best dem candidate even though i disagree with him on everything.

it's possible. but the guy has the best healthcare on planet earth. plus he's in decent-ish shape. life expectancies go up significantly, his is probably easily in the mid 90s. recent presidents have died at 93,94,93, and carter is 99.

Qualifiers are important here. Jimmy Carter is 99 years old now, but was dealing with the stress of the presidency at age 52. Ronald Reagan went in to the White House at age 69 did 2 terms (8 years total) and exited younger than Joe Biden is right now. Newsom at +700 seems a reasonable number for bettors.

glad we're finally talking numbers instead of politarding it up

Congressional Republicans aren’t giving up on efforts to pass legislation sharply
limiting abortion nationwide despite their party’s losses in Tuesday’s elections

Sen. Tim Scott was asked about his vision for a path forward on abortion policy.
“Well, I’m 100% pro-life; I have 100% pro-life voting record,”.
“I would certainly, as president United States, have a 15-week national limit.”

Vivek Ramaswamy condemned the abortion rights measure Ohio voters to the
state constitution a day earlier. “It was my home state of Ohio, I’m upset about this...

a variety of Republicans — on Capitol Hill and on the presidential campaign trail — came away
from Tuesday’s election results with ideas about a new national policy that would ban abortions

Most Americans believe the GOP is wrong about reproductive rights.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...ban-rcna124365

The reality is its costing them statewide elections. If they can get it on the ballot in more states in 2024 it can play a role in the federal election just as having a man nobody wants on the ballot for Democrats

The reality is you could have a President of the USA making decisions from Club Fed . Would the secret service each get cells beside Donald?

The issue isn't his age per se. It is his health. He can barely even follow a teleprompter. And it is only going to get worse. You might say this is still better than Trump, and I might be inclined to agree with you. But it doesn't change reality.

He is definitely running a shadow campaign to gauge whether it would work or not. And he has actually done an about face and been moderate the last year here (CA), vetoing a lot of the real bad far left legislation rolling through. This is really pissing of the far left, so it actually looks like he is burning bridges here, so it may be no going back.

He actually isn't a very good public speaker or charismatic in front of crowds, which could be a problem, but at least he can follow a teleprompter.

Nikki had a good answer at the debate
Christie sort of did
The other 3, no

Yeah i was thinking this

Right now shows trump leading in pa

But put abortion on the ballot? Dem turnout can turn that upside down

Betting sites are playing on people thinking that. Biden won't be dropping out unless he's half dead. Kamala is the replacement.

Betting on Newsom is lighting money on fire.

Does this mean that you disapprove of Biden's response? Or only that you think other people do?

If the former, what would you like to see Biden do that he is not doing? I obviously am talking about actions that are within the realm of the politically possible.

Politically, I dont think the Democrats have any "win" here. Whatever they do is going to be perceived as aligning with either the pro Hamas or pro Israel factions of the Dem party. The former are much more numerous, especially in the activist class, but the latter more important politically as they actually align with the functional aspects of the Dem Party and running the country.

Maybe it is just one of those situations where Biden just has to accept whatever he does is going to be a big L politically. I am not as sure as Mets is that the Israel/Hamas conflict is really a deal breaker one way or another politically, because of how polarized everything is going in. Its not like the pro Hamas crowd are going to defect to the Republican Party.

But maybe I am wrong, and if enough American Hamas supporters who march in the streets chanting "Infantada" and "From the river to the seas" stop voting Dem, that will be enough.

i love how calls for peace and to not murder 10s of thousands of muslims are considered "pro Hamas" to dunyain. as people on here have been trying and failing to say to me, the mask really falls off.


to answer the question, he's obviously siding with the donor. as are almost every single Dem in congress.

guys please don't cross pollinate - this should be a thread that discusses campaign outcomes not right or wrong - please leave personal judgements and opinions out of it

I think other people are not ie young people. And dems may realize that without young people he can't win

I am surprisingly very happy with his response

I agree this issue may not be going over well with young folks that are just uneducated on the issue . As well in Michigan and Illinois were there is a large Muslim population it may have an effect .

Just heard manchin won't run again..

biggerboat - are you not at all concerned about the fact that biden literally gets lost on stage once a week?

he does not

Maybe he's running for president under no labels?

Id consider voting for him

to clarify my point - we already have ample precedent for administrations hiding medical issues from the public

even in our own country we knew about the early signs of alzheimers in regan yet kept it under wraps
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/h...lzheimers.html

some people who have spoken out about this have been strongly criticized and condemned - saying it stigmatizes alzheimers

it's this incredible thing where people don't feel comfortable talking about it simply because "you can't say bad things about sick people" so we ignore the fact that we had a man with dementia leading the country and focus on the "let's be sensitive to people with alzheimers"


Biden is surrounded by dozens of very powerful people who will cease being powerful if he does not get re-elected and there's even a second layer under those that comprises of several hundred people

there is thus always going to be a natural incentive for standing presidents to be pressured internally to remain in office (and old people undergoing dementia are very malleable) and correspondingly, severe upside in downplaying and excusing away all the hiccups that come along with early stages of dementia

he gets lost on stage - "the aid was supposed to signal to him where to go and didn't"
he call ukraine iraq - "oh it's a speech impediment - you know that super common lisp where u sounds like i and kraine sounds like raq"

and then you get the general public who just don't care, they would rather have a senile man in office than trump or someone else who'll further stack the supreme court against abortion rights so they don't want to rock the boat by demanding he not run because that could hurt the democratic victory chances and the most likely replacement in harris is perhaps the only person who is less electable than biden right now

the only person i think could beat is trump i think he loses in a landslide against any other candidate and I still think he often loses vs trump

i think trump was a stain on our history, easily the most buffoonish president we've ever had - yet i'd still prefer 4 more years of him than 4 more years of a guy who can't complete a sentence nor walk across a room without an aide guiding him along

meh, he's a lot more with it than the haters would like to let on

He literally doesn’t do this?

Does anyone even think before adding this word to their sentences any more, or is it just some kind of automatic reflex for people now?